The reason gun safes are useless is because any reasonably
proficient criminal can peel back the doors with a crow bar (go to
any reasonable sized safe company and ask them to show you the
samples of peeled safes--a lot of them have them so you can see how
easy it is to get into them). If you are going to be protecting
some serious jewels than you need a UL rated safe (which,
incidentally, is not an "arbitrary measuring stick") that is rated
at least TR-TL 15.
Hi Daniel - it was I who said “arbitrary measuring stick” and I was
being facetious, my usual mode when discussing anything related to
that government-sanctioned legal organized crime racket referred to
as the insurance business. However, before you arbitrarily write off
guns safes, see below
My gun safe isn’t useless - it has a TL-15 rating which the company
says has the following onstruction requirements:
"U.L. listed Group II, 1 or 1R combination lock.
750 lbs. minimum or comes with instructions for anchoring in a
larger safe, concrete blocks or on the premises where used.
Body walls of material equivalent to at least 1" open hearth
steel with a minimum tensile strength of 50,000 P.S.I.
Walls fastened in a manner equivalent to continuous 1/4"
penetration weld of open hearth steel with minimum tensile
strength of 50,000 P.S.I.
One hole 1/4" or less, to accommodate electrical conductors
arranged to have no direct view of the door or locking
And the following performance requirements:
"Successfully resist entry* for a net working time of 15
minutes when attacked with common hand tools, picking tools,
mechan-ical or portable electric tools, grinding points,
carbide drills and pressure applying devices or mechanisms."
It certainly can’t be opened with a crowbar, as you say - I’ve seen
the marketing that you’re talking about, and it’s an excellent
marketing campaign created by . . . Jewelry safe manufacturers!
Since it’s in my poured-concrete shop, which has a steel rod network
in the walls and a steel door, and the safe is bolted into the
concrete with bolts that were anchored to the steel and poured in
place, I’m reasonably comfortable that someone would have to work
darn hard to get our stuff. I’m not hanging on to expensive repair
jewelry or gems priced over what I could reasonably replace, so I
feel quite confident.