i have used these types of paper liners before - i am not
dissuading anyone from trying them - but the perforated flasks are
the commercial industry norm for a reason - maybe not all the best,
but i believe the best so far.
Hi Argoodell I will try and give you as much of an explanation as
possible . Your first question is what amount of residue ash is left
after burnout… Well, First, Paper burns away better than most wax
in the sense that it is a cleaner burn also, less polutants …
creating carbon in the process… However, since the paper is at the
flask wall, There will be no ash that will ever get close to your
castings So there is no problem with this… The Burned out paper is
on the vacuum side of the table… not where the melt is. In the
oven, the paper volatelizes and goes out the exhaust. When it comes
to steam dewaxing, the paper has no effect what so ever… before
putting it in the oven, the paper that sticks out of the vaccuum
side of the flask is torn off .
Just a minor point in reference to the wax web that you mentioned…
That particular wax is not a clean burning wax… has a certain
amount of plastic in it so that it does not breakeasily when bent…
I would be more worried about those polutants . The wax web does not
easily hold itself in the flask without other work being done… The
wax web can be broken easily in shipping and in use. You will have to
use tape or a rubber colar with the wax web or a perforated flask
… this takes time to do with a perf. flask or with the web… We
have done time studies based on preparation of perforated flasks and
web and I can assure you, there is a difference in time … You will
have to clean rubber sleeves as well .
Also, When you steam out your flask… Do you then flip it upside
down to steam out the left over wax web? if you don’t it will be in
your oven creating the soot you speak of.
Now, you really want me to tell you the difference on vacuum draw
with the paper product versus the perforated flask… Ok… here
goes… Check the holes in the perforated flask… most are all in a
row… where ther are no holes, there is no vacuum… the paper is
different and draws more vaccuum… why is this… because the holes
in the paper are not where the vacuum is drawn from… Look at the
paper again… when the paper burns away, it leaves channels that go
everywhere because the burned away paper is the vaccuum chanel
area… Not the holes !So, More even vaccum. If you don’t believe me,
show it to an engineer…and explain it the way I did.
As far as the seal on the vaccum table, there is also no problem …
we use high temp rubber pads that withstand temperatures of up to
1350 oF intermittently. this takes care of any seal problem. I use
one pad ( cost $4.50 ) for about 150 flasks… Our casting machine
requires no “chamber” and only has a small trap made of metal to
catch any blow outs that we might have… Haven’t had a blow out yet
this year !
By the way, this has been the standard method of casting extremely
large volumes of jewelry in the Rhode island area since the 1970’s
they use 4 port casting tables that cast 4 large flasks / minute…
some companies have 8 port tables… I use to run one of these
departments and did my time studies not on 5 or 10 flasks… but on
17 ovens that handle 40 4x7 flasks per oven… and they were
full… This, is not casting that most will see in their life time!!
These 4 port tables were made by the Conley casting company that
produced most of these machines. So, believe me, if perforated flasks
were actually better and less expensive to use, they would have used
them… but they didn’t . Your flange on a perforated flask can warp
as it is quenched in water… it does happen… Specially in the
volumes I have done .
On a standard flask, when the edge of the flask becomes thin or
damaged, put it on a 5 " belt sander for about 30 seconds and it’s
back to new… We do this to our flasks every year and a half…
As far as break out is concerned, I think you are not looking at
things clearly because you seem to be angry for some reason…
because the investment is only held in place by the holes through the
paper, there is far less surface area holding the investment in the
flask… So it does break out easier… we wait 20 minutes before we
quench and all the investment breaks free… and this is with a flask
temperature of 900 oF. There is another method of removing
investment… using a ram method… dry break out … No water is
used … the paper liner works better on this as well. You may never
have heard of this method as it is primarily used by very large
casting companies.This machine was also made by Conley casting.It’s
not cheap.
Let me ask you this… do you cast large quantities? Over 5000
pieces per week? I do… We get visits from other people who do
casting as we invite them to see what we do…Not one person has ever
left without learning a whole lot of things . You are more than
welcome to come by if you don’t believe what I say… it’s a
learning experience for every person that has visited. Best Wishes,
Daniel Grandi
We do casting, finishing and a whole lot more for designers,
jewelers and people in the trade. Contact :
sales@racecarjewelry.com