....as I understand it, over 1/2 ton (of Argentium) has been shipped from the U.S. to China to date.....
...it hardly seems sporting to slag off Argentium....especially with outdated and distorted --in the process....
Let’s run the numbers…as my father always taught me. (He said,
“what sounds like a lot can ultimately be a pittance and vice
versa…”) Using my trusty Stuller Metals Book, which has some of
the most complete conversion charts on the planet in it, 1/2 ton of
alloy equals 1000 pounds avoir. In the Metals Book, 1 Kilo = 2.2046
pounds avoir. So 1000 pounds equals 453.59 Kilos of alloy.
Now Trevor, you used the figure of 1/2 ton because you thought that
it would bolster your case that there is, in fact, a crapload of
this alloy being sold to China. But what that figure actually does
is to make most experts who deal with the production jewelry market
on a daily basis, scratch their heads in quizzical wonderment. Let
me inform you as to why they would be amazed at this.
I will tell you that in Bangkok alone, there are hundreds of huge
factories that produce silver. And I know of (and have actually been
in them, Trevor) those that number at least 80 that use 450 Kilos
EVERY WEEK of alloy alone. Times that figure by those who are of the
same volume in India, China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Malaysia and
Chiang Mai, Thailand…and you have an astronomical amount of
gross silver alloy used on a daily and weekly basis. These
companies…when they ask me for a quote on price on alloys, state
their usage in hundreds or thousands of tons of metal.
450 Kilos??? These companies loose that much with spills on the
floor each year. So if your purpose was to convince the good people
of Orchid that I was distorting overall usage…by running the
numbers themselves, they can easily see who was trying to do the
I stand by what I said…with one honest correction. I personally
know of 2 factories using it on a large scale in the Far East…1
in Indonesia and 1 in Thailand. I am certain there are more. This
was anecdotal evidence I was using, of course, and I know that the
thinking part of the Orchid Forum gleaned that from my description.
My only point being, Trevor…was that it isn’t all over the place
like you would like everyone to think it is. And that one should not
impune someone who is actually there in those same production
shops…where you have never been.
I came across one silver factory in China last month that had 45
huge casting ovens and 9 frequency casting machines running
everyday. In that situation, the problems which HAVE been reported
over the past months on Orchid with Argentium (no distortion) may
not be easily managed and sometimes financially costly to fix with
production like that. Do you want to know how many pieces that is in
one day? And that is not to mention the still unanswered questions
as to Argentiums re-usability, which greatly effects production
shops more than the Artisan user.
I implore all Orchid readers to read carefully all that is written
on the Forum and how it is said. And not to fly off the handle when
one challenges someone elses “turf”. And definitely…don’t “slag
off” a fellow Orchidian because he expresses an adverse opinion to
yours, or you think he’s trying to line his pockets with his
criticisms. (All those who know me well, even my friends at
Stern-Leach, would laugh at that…considering I still dress like
the hippie I have always been…)
Especially before you have a chance to run those numbers before you
From Sin City
Marc “Doc” Robinson
ABI Precious Metals Asia, Ltd.