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Should dealers advertise on Orchid?


#1

Terrie (T.A.Masters),

In your recent Tucson 2005 post you expressed several times your
displeasure with those that “advertise” in the Orchid pages.

You said:

taking advantage of Orchid by advertising his business" "His posts
and responses never say 'buy from me'.

I always put my company name, product description and service
description on the bottom of my posts in Orchid (see below). Yes it
helps me gain exposure, but I always thought it might also help
those looking for my services or products find them. Besides
whenever I post I try my best to give unbiased in areas
that I am familiar with.

What you said publicly in your post made me feel kinda bad for doing
this. Should I (and other dealers) think twice about adding this to
our posts and input on Orchid ?

Thank you for your response.

Steve Green
Rough and Ready Gems
Gemstone Briolettes and Precision Ultrasonic Drilling
www.briolettes.com


#2
  always put my company name, product description and service
description on the bottom of my posts in Orchid (see below). Yes
it helps me gain exposure, <snip>  What you said publicly in your
post made me feel kinda bad for doing this. Should I (and other
dealers) think twice about adding this to our posts and input on
Orchid ? 

Dear Steve

Please feel free to attach your contacts and your services to your
signature. It perfectly acceptable!

From the Orchid FAQ [http://www.ganoksin.com/faq]

  You can certainly mention that you have products and/or
  services available should anyone be interested, but persistent
  advertisements are not appropriate. The Ganoksin Site offers
  advertising services. Take a look at all of these and see
  which one will work for your commercial needs. 

Advertising on Ganoksin is a great way to both promote your business
and support Orchid.

For more please check out http://www.ganoksin.com/kosana
or download our media kit from
http://www.soi11.com/file_s/Ganoksin-Media-Kit-2005-Color.pdf

Best
Hanuman


#3

Steve, I for one am appreciative of those business owners/executives
who acknowledge their companies at the end of their messages in the
way that you do. And, by the way, Russ from Rings n Things does the
same as you, as does Karen from Metalwerks and a host of others whom
right now I don’t remember. How in the world are we supposed to be
able to support our fellow orchid members if we don’t know which
businesses they are associated with??? Personally, I’m okay with an
ownership statement and website link at the end of messages. Seems
like a logical thing to do.

Betty


#4

I would like people to continue putting contact info and websites at
the bottom of posts. I enjoy browsing. Steve Green’s briolettes are
definitely worth drooling over!

Karen


#5
What you said publicly in your post made me feel kinda bad for
doing this. Should I (and other dealers) think twice about adding
this to our posts and input on Orchid ? 

Strictly one person’s opinion, Steve, but I agree with what you do.
You offer without being the least bit pushy, and include
your info in your signature. That seems perfectly appropriate-- and
helpful-- to me.

Noel


#6

Dear Steve,

First, it was good meeting you at Tucson. I feel it should be fine
that you and others mention your businesses on Orchid. To me, Orchid
is a great network of which includes products and
services in addition to learning. You are not abusing this forum at
all by mentioning your service and it is good to know where I can
find some beautiful stones such as yours.

Marta Irvin in Georgetown, CA


#7

Steve,

Please let me clarify my comments. I love to see the links below the
name. I enjoy going to those web sites and looking at peoples
handiwork. I find wonderful sites by looking at links on other web
sites.

My quarrel is with those who do not participate in discussions,
simply using Orchid to put forth their own agenda and in fact
offering nothing to the membership at large.

Many on this list are commercial vendors yet they primarily offer
help where they have expertise. There is not a “buy from me,” push
in their replies. Simply a link to their site.

That is how I find yours. Please know your site is very nice and the
stones are beautiful.

The people who capitalize Orchid for their own agenda are those I
feel take unfair advantage.

I love and respect Orchid so very much, I am rather protective.
Mother Hen maybe?

I certainly did not want to suggest anyone’s signature is “blatant
advertising.”

Terrie


#8
Steve, I for one am appreciative of those business
owners/executives who acknowledge their companies at the end of
their messages .... 

Add me to the “Yes” list too. In fact I make it a point to follow
those links, at least once, to check out the sites. Since I find
maker’s sites quite rewarding, and educational, I’ve discovered many a
treasure by doing so. For examples see the recent thread “Jeweller
sites that deserve an Orchid” at

https://orchid.ganoksin.com/t/jeweller-sites-that-deserve-an-orchid

Cheers,
Trevor F.
in The City of Light


#9

You shouldn’t feel bad about mentioning your product or services.
It’s helpful to other readers of Orchid who just may be looking for
or need those things. You have expertise in your area that helps
educate the readers.


#10

Hello Orchidland,

I’m with Betty Leeper when she says " I’m okay with an ownership
statement and website link at the end of messages." I can’t see
those as an advertisement, but a simple indication of affiliation.
An appropriate and transparent thing to do.

Judy in Kansas - where the buds are swelling on my forsythia!


#11

I, for one, find this info. vey useful. I wish to support felow
Orchidians, and have placed several custom orders with members who I
found through their contact info.

David Barzilay
Lord of the Rings
607 S Hill St Ste 850
Los Angeles, CA 90014-1718
213-488-9157


#12

The one thing I have always enjoyed about orchid. Is that the folks
on it are new to the industry as well been in the industry for a long
time. There is a desire to learn more and share. I have learned about
new ways of doing things and been able to offer them to others. As
well where to get new items and services.

Andy " The Tool Guy" Kroungold
Tool Sales / Technical
Stuller Inc
Phone 800-877-7777 ext. 94194
Fax 337-262-7791


#13

Hello All

I am located in Thunder Bay Ontario the Amethyst capital of North
America. My wife and I own and operate a small mining
operation,where people can dig their own amethyst and other minerals.
We supply people locally and via the internet with material produced
from this operation. Some of the amethyst producd is of a quality
that has been used in jewlery, wirewrap, electroplating and inlay.
This forum helps people with ideas, tips on problems, new designs
and on products available I don’t consider myself to be a
big dealer, but if it wasn’t for this site you probably would’t know
anything about me or our product and vise versa. I like to visit
sites to see the work others do I might even consider buying
something, I don’t find anything wrong with someone having added a
link to sell their product. Everone knows where to find the big box
stores for supplies, but had it not been for this forum, Mary in
Florida would’t have amethyst for her special product and for that I
say, Thank You

Chuck & Linda,
http://bouldercreek.cjb.net


#14

Please allow me to start by saying that over the last three years
both my wife and I have been excited to be a part of this wonderful
group of skilled, experienced, and sharing artisans. It is so
heart-warming to see others provide feedback, advise, and instruction
so selflessly. (It parallels my day work in social services :} ).
We have also had the pleasure of meeting quite a few Orchidians in
person while sharing a meal at a Tucson Orchid dinner (2004).

I understand how annoying it can be to come across posts that are
blatantly advertising one’s product and repeatedly pushing sales for
profit. I do no believe that this group was formed for this purpose.

I am now reading the original thread, and am angered and offended:

My quarrel is with those who do not participate in discussions,
simply using Orchid to put forth their own agenda and in fact
offering nothing to the membership at large.

Unless the initiator of the above thread has been tracking the day
to day involvement of orchid members, who are they to say that
particular posters have “offered nothing to the membership at large”.

This topic caught my eye as we have recently shared on Orchid our
need to move our remaining silver and turquoise inventory and
machinery at quite a SIGNIFICANT loss. (We are exploring a new
medium: glass). We have also recently posted that we are selling
off our NEW Lortone slab saw (also at a SIGNIFICANT loss). We have
posted these topics in hopes that either:

  1. We could pass on a very good opportunity to another fellow
    Orchidian lapidarist. Or,

  2. We would receive some feedback from others that may have had a
    similar need to liquidate. We received a lot of advise on
    liquidation, consignment, as well as other helpful suggestions from
    members on this matter. Thank you again for all your supportive
    feedback.

Am I one of these posters that you wrote about that “do not
participate in discussions, [and] simply [use] Orchid to put forth
[my] own agenda and in fact [offer] nothing to the membership at
large”? We have been active with Orchid in the forum as well as
events for the past 2 years and, hopefully have offered help to
others by sharing our personal experiences.

As the poster stated, he/she is angry and concerned about others’
agendas. Ours (mine and my wife’s) has always been to be part of a
sharing and caring community of fellow artists and jewelers.

Please be respectful of other members and consider the impact/
effect your posts may have on others’ feelings.

Joe Ellis
Desert Canyon Jewelry
http:\members.cox.net\desertcanyonjewelry.htm
(my standard signature)


#15

As Hanuman keeps a close eye on all that is posted on this e-mail
forum, there is little chance that people will get away with using
the forum for there own advertising.

Personally I think “lurking” is perfectly fine and no one should
force one and others to participate in discussions. Some people are
just more talkative than others.

Alain


#16

Hi, Joe,

Please don’t worry that the complaining poster might have had you in
mind. I’m sure I speak for more than just myself when I say that what
you posted was just fine.

In fact, when I read the complaints, I was tempted to post back and
ask what they were talking about. I’ve been a faithful reader of
this forum for a while now, and I have seldom if ever felt that
people were doing what the complainer described, and for sure
couldn’t bring any recent examples to mind.

Moreover, anybody is free to just delete any post that doesn’t
interest them.

–Noel


#17

Hi everyone,

There seems to be quite a bit of bashing of the original poster
which I personally feel is undeserved. It seems to me from reading
the excerpt of the post in context of the whole post, that the
person was not trying to alienate or insult anyone; rather the point
was to praise people who regularly contribute advice, etc, in
addition to offering their services to other Orchid members. The
words could easily be interpreted as inflammatory, but I don’t think
they were meant that way.

I don’t think that she meant that people should not advertise their
business here, or include links in their signature. Some of the
people she was praising in her post do include links in their
signatures.

It’s very difficult sometimes to express opinions in print without
offending people unintentionally - I know once or twice on the rare
occasions that I’ve posted here, there have been posts back to me
that made absolutely no sense to me until I re-read my post and saw
how it could have been interpreted another way.

Leah
www.michondesign.com
@Leah2


#18

Hello Orchidland,

Leah is right: “rather the point was to praise people who regularly
contribute advice, etc, in addition to offering their services to
other Orchid members.” Phrases taken out of context can easily be
misinterpreted. Thanks Leah, for being level-headed and bringing the
discussion back to reality.

Judy in Kansas, where I’m forcing forsythia and redbud branches to
bloom. Should be gorgeous!!


#19

I, for one, am exceptionally appreciative of all the resources that
come through via Orchid. Whether it is Steve (and his briolettes),
others recommending resources they have used or techniques that
work, or even, just the creative jolt in visiting other artists’
web sites; it comes down to Orchid being an invaluable “network”.

I say if you are proud of what you do, offer, can suggest… the
more the better!

Cameron
and… just to be consistent with my post: http://www.ctedesigns.com