Resizing a gold Hopi overlay and silver base ring up 9 sizes

Hi Peeps,

Wishing all a wonderful day. :slightly_smiling_face:

I have a gold on silver overlay ring that needs to go up 9 sizes. My question is can these rings be resized bigger with two different metals? The top cutout layer is 14KYG of 1mm thick and the bottom is the thicker sterling silver layer. My other question when opening this ring up quite considerably to 9 sizes up is there a risk of popping the fine gold layer on top or distorting the cutout work? Also, I will have to continue the design cutout on the top gold layer and solder it to the silver base in flat form and bend into shape and fit and solder it. Also, there has been a messy resize larger done, which I would remove with the new piece. I’ve provided some images. What do you all think is it doable or is it too risky?

Many thanks in advance. Jeanette email vanrifstudio@gmail.com

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Hi,

i am having my morning coffee…contemplating your question…a few thoughts pop into mind…

i wonder if it is possible to remove the gold top band from the silver band…?

i feel like, in my mind i would want to deal with this in two steps…

the top gold band…ie: remove it from the silver band,(?), flatten it out, add gold metal, continue the pattern, shape it on a mandrel, solder it closed…

the silver band…make a new band and then fit the gold sleeve over it…solder together, or rivet it, or…make as a spinner ring…(?)…

i thought about the artist stamping being forgone, etc…but after all the work done to it, perhaps that is ok…(?)…

maybe this is the long wayšŸ˜†ā€¦which is usually how my mind worksšŸ˜† it never misses an opportunity to make things harder than they should bešŸ˜†

julie

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Thanks for the kind wishes; I hope your day’s going great too! I took a close look at the pics of your overlay ring (love the Navajo-inspired design work). I’ve handled quite a few of these gold-on-silver overlays over the years.

To answer your first question, yes, it’s doable, but definitely on the riskier side given the materials, cutouts, and the amount of sizing involved. Going up nine sizes means adding about 7 mm to the inside diameter, or over 20 mm to the circumference.

To be frank, it might actually be easier to recreate the ring and recycle the old one. The work involved in fabricating a new bimetal section would nearly equal the effort of making it from scratch, in my opinion. Splicing in a new overlay section is basically like half-shanking the ring but with a lot of legacy baggage. Still, I suspect the original piece carries sentimental weight, and that’s something we have to respect.

Dissimilar metals like 14K yellow gold overlay on sterling have different expansion and contraction rates, but usually the gold moves with the silver base without too much trouble. The cutouts, though, complicate things. I also notice in your photos that the fit between layers isn’t especially tight, which makes me wonder what solder was used during fabrication and if this will give you problems going larger.

Old 14KY can get brittle, especially if it’s seen exposure to hot tubs or pools. The gold layer can crack or delaminate under stress, and opening the ring that much could cause micro-cracks since the cutouts weaken the structure unevenly. From your pics, those fine motifs look particularly vulnerable, especially if the ring was stressed during the earlier resizing.

Be sure to explain these risks clearly to your client and let them make the final call on whether to proceed.

Your plan to remove that messy previous resize is spot-on. It’s hard to predict exactly how much distortion you’ll get in the cutouts, and delamination is always a risk. Work slowly in stages, annealing every few sizes, and keep the band round with gentle, non-marring hammer taps.

Also, make sure the gold you add matches the color of the original. Not all 14KY alloys are the same hue, so you might want to check with the client if color consistency matters to them.

If you have access to a laser welder, it could be a lifesaver for repairing small cracks or separations in the gold.

It sounds like you’ve got a good handle on what this job involves, so best of luck with it!

Let the community know how it turns out if indeed you take it on.

~AJ

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Hi AJ,

Reading your thoughts has beed refreshing and peace to my mind.

You’ve touched on so many good points that were floating around in my head.

Opening the gold band up that much could damage that top band, even if we place a piece of all silver and engrave the details on, still would not be the same in look as those designs were cut out.

I certainly has been an interesting one.

I think I am going to think long and hard on this a bit more.

Thank you for your help!

Really appreciate it.

Jeanette

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Hi Julie,

I have had many coffees thinking about this one too :joy:

Such good ideas and tips for me to have a few more coffee’s over.

I can’t tell you how helpful your ideas are for me.

Many thanks

Jeanette

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55 years of experience here….

Run! Run away as fast as you can!

Seriously.

The likely hood of survival for this ring is slim to none.

One of the hardest things to learn in my career was ā€œWhen to say noā€.

A better option would be to make or buy a chain for the client to wear with the ring around their neck, or make a new ring.

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in total agreement here. I predict a gnarly redo. I thought of the chain solution as well

the ring is not in good shape to begin with. If you hammer and stretch out 9 sizes, yikes!.. the cutouts will definitely get stretched out and distorted, not to mention the gold cracking off the silver. The two metals, by the pictures are nearly ready to come apart as is. Easier to start over from scratch. If you do the job the client should be told that it’s either impossible or that they definitely won’t like the outcome..everyone’s point is very well taken!

well said!