PMC in general

    If you work in pmc, how do we refer to what is done as opposed
to those who use metal working techniques to achieve their goal.
Fabrication and casting are metal working techniques in my
opinion, working with pmc is more similar to ceramics. PMC is not
metalsmithing. 

I have the same question as Richard on this subject. I’m nowhere
near having 20-30 years experience as a metalsmith, but with about 4
years so far, I plan to learn as much as I can and gain more
experience working as a silversmith and goldsmith. I too have no
interest in getting into PMC, but am always puzzled when I see a PMC
class advertised as a metalsmithing or silversmithing course. I
don’t understand how a medium that can be formed using putty knives
can be considered metalsmithing or silversmithing. That’s not meant
as a slam to PMC, but just an honest thought - putty knives versus
saws, hammers, long hours of fabrication … there’s no comparison
and for that reason I think PMC needs to be given a different
classification and not considered metalsmithing or silversmithing.

I can definitely understand how this causes a riff or conflict
between those with many years of metalsmithing experience to see PMC
come out advertised as a metalsmithing tool. Perhaps if it was
placed in a category all it’s own that this would solve some of the
dilemna and conflict that PMC seems to have with some jewelers.
After all, I see several people with the title “PMC Certified
Instructor” - so there obviously is a different classification for
the instructors - perhaps there should be a different classification
for the medium as a whole.

Yes, PMC does give a designer instant gratification and there is
less expense and less tools necessary - but to me, that’s what makes
metalsmithing very satisfying to me. Working with a sheet of metal
and turning it into something beautiful - the time is takes and the
tools and techniques needed to finish a piece are what is intriguing
to me.

I don’t see these posts regarding PMC as argument, as there seems to
be so many jewelers sitting on different sides of the fence on this
issue that perhaps some type of classification can be set on this new
form of jewelry design.

The most appropriate term I have come across for those who work with
metal clay is “silverworker”. It acknowledges that the person
concerned has a certain level of knowledge and expertise in a
particular area, but does not imply that their repertoire of skills
includes traditional silversmithing techniques. Unless they are so
trained, I can’t imagine anyone who specialises in metal clay calling
themselves a silversmith - to do so would denigrate their own skills,
which are very different.

There seems to be a misconception amongst those who have never used
metal clay that it is quick and easy to make a good piece. It is not.
Yes, you can take a lump of metal clay, roll it out, cut a shape,
stamp it to create a texture then fire it - stick a jump ring through
a hole and call it a pendant. It will look just as shoddy as a an
identical piece made from sheet metal and stamping tools.

It can take days or even weeks to construct and properly prepare a
piece made from metal clay for firing, and once fired it has to be
polished and finished in exactly the same way as any other silver
piece.

‘Serious’ users of metal clay also have their own level of knowledge
with regards to metallurgy and materials. Some are very knowledgeable
about gemstones and enamelling as well. They need to know how to size
rings, make moulds and work to fine tolerances.

I am not the only user of metal clay who uses sheet, wire and tube
as well. I draw my own wire, saw, drill, solder and rivet. I make
many of my own findings, and I’ve even done casting. These skills do
not make me a silversmith, but then I never claim to be.

My reading of this thread has led me to the conclusion that there is
a fair amount of resentment out there for those of us who do not
stick to traditional methods, and that such people feel that their
skills are being devalued. Consequently, they look down on the people
who do not hold to their ‘values’. It is a real shame that this is
the case.

Pat

Frame and backing are constructed of sheet and wire.

About half-way down the page:
professionaljeweler.com/archives/articles/2004/sep04/0904mm.html

Pam Chott
www.songofthephoenix.com

I don't like the fact that it's still not very stable, even when
fired for maximum times. It still breaks when you try to bend it
even when fired for max time at max temps! 
        It sounds silly but a clarification would help... Does the
above statement means that even after the piece has been fired,
the PMC will have the properties of clay??? 

The person who made the first statement is not correct, in my
experience and opinion. After the piece is fired –

it is fine silver. It does not break when you try to bend it. It
does not have the properties of clay.

If it breaks when bent, that means it was underfired, period.

Once it’s fired, you treat it exactly like metal, because it is
metal. Anneal, solder, whatever.

Folks, you’re driving around in vehicles made with the same
technology. Sintering metal. Car parts are made from powdered
steel which is then sintered. It makes the engine parts lighter,
and therefore the whole car lighter. They’ve been doing this for 30
years.

Elaine
Elaine Luther
Metalsmith, Certified PMC Instructor
http://www.CreativeTextureTools.com
Hard to Find Tools for Metal Clay

I have not done much with PMC but I tend to think of it it terms of a
finished item other than findings that might need to be soldered on.
Why to you want to bend it after firing anyway?

marilyn smith

I think one of the concerns is in pricing work. As jewelers, we
know the difference in fabrication time when using traditional
silversmith techniques, versus creating and firing with PMC. That
can’t be argued, as many of those using PMC have already stated that
fact - it is much quicker creating a piece in PMC - instant
gratification is what I think I read several times. But what about
the customers? I think that’s an issue. Are the customers going to
understand why one artist selling sterling silver or gold designs
(traditional methods used) has higher prices than the artist next
door who has designs set with stones using PMC priced for less?
Granted, there are many customers that are educated about art and
jewelry - but there are others that are not. Is this a case where a
few years down the road, those using traditional silversmith or
goldsmith methods are going to have to “explain” their prices and the
labor involved versus PMC designs - which will probably be everywhere
in another 5 years. Think about what goes into learning traditional
stone setting? How is someone using traditional stone setting
techniques going to be able to compete - labor-wise - with a product
that allows you to set a stone where you want it to be and fire it?
Of course, there are metalsmiths whose work and prices will not even
be questioned - but a huge buying market is out for a good deal, the
lower price, etc.

These questions and concerns have nothing to do with having anything
against PMC, but in the way it is marketed and perceived. I can’t
tell you how many websites and brochures I have seen advertising
"Learn Metalsmithing" or “Be a Silversmith” and it’s a class for PMC.
To me that is deceiving. PMC is taught and sold at the local rubber
stamp shop around the corner from me. That’s all fine… but I think
it should not be considered silversmithing.

I just see it as a product that could potentially undercut the
experience and techniques that so many have worked very hard to
acheive. The general buying public is not going to know the
difference between the two different techniques - and that’s where I
think a major problem will arise. Especially now that they have come
out with a gold clay/paint.

I think there should be some regulations in the way PMC is marked.

And if it is 99.9% silver, then instead of being brittle, it
should be more malleable. 

It will be brittle when not properly sintered. I wouldn’t trust torch
firing, nor some of the non timed, non kiln (computerized) type
firings Computerized kilns will hold the temps for a specified amount
of time assuring the best sintering and best
binding.

    The person who made the first statement is not correct, in my
experience and opinion.  After the piece is fired -- it is fine
silver.  It does not break when you try to bend it. It does not
have the properties of clay. If it breaks when bent, that means it
was underfired, period. Once it's fired, you treat it exactly like
metal, because it *is* metal.  Anneal, solder, whatever. Folks,
you're driving around in vehicles made with the same technology. 
Sintering metal.  Car parts are made from powdered steel which is
then sintered.  It makes the engine parts lighter, and therefore
the whole car lighter.  They've been doing this for 30 years. 

True PMC is sintered powder metal but it has a very low density it
is not anywhere near the theoretical density of wrought or cast
silver. Most industrial powdered metal products like the type that
might be found in your car are made in molds and compacted in some
form of a press to achieve a high density. They may be fired and
then pressed again to achieve even higher densities. Unless it is
desired to have a porous product ( like one of the earliest sintered
metal products oil impregnated bronze bushings) the goal in powder
metallurgy is to approach as close as possible to the theoretical
density of a metal or alloy. Since PMC is not sintered in a hot
press or forged its density is low this leads to a lower strength
than wrought or cast or hot pressed powder metal it is without a
doubt less strong and less ductile than wrought or even cast silver.
The goal of the majority of powder metal parts is to make a part
that requires less machining to archive a finished part or to get
physical characteristics that cannot be easily achieved in other
ways . Powder metallurgy has created a myriad of new products that
have many advantages over the traditional methods of manufacturing.
I have nothing against powder metals. But PMC as it currently exists
has far too many disadvantages to make me interested in it as a
material for my studio work.

Jim Binnion

James Binnion Metal Arts
Phone (360) 756-6550
Toll Free (877) 408 7287
Fax (360) 756-2160

@James_Binnion
Member of the Better Business Bureau

I have various pieces of PMC (of all products) break when bent. No,
it’s not like “CLAY” breaking, it’s more like metal that cracks after
being bent numerous times (when in fact, you have not bent it at
all!) Remember: fine silver doesn’t hold up as well as sterling.
Going with that fact, although some claim that you can use PMC for
everything, I would disagree. I’ts not at all good for findings.
Emblishments, yes, but don’t rely on it to become a cuff bracelet and
last for more than a few months of constant wear. It seems that
those who make cuff bracelets from PMC cover fine silver wire with
the product to help keep it from breaking quickly.

    I see several people with the title "PMC Certified Instructor"
- so there obviously is a different classification for the
instructors - perhaps there should be a different classification
for the medium as a whole. 

I have to comment on “PMC Certified Instructor”… I am PMC
Certified, but the Rio Reward’s Certification that I earned does not
allow me to claim that I’m an instructor. I paid a over $300. (US
Dollar) to become a ‘certified Artisan’… when I read about the
program offered by the PMC Guild, it lead me to believe that I would
be ‘Certified as an Instructor’ found out after the fact that it did
not. The course was interesting. but anyone, who is even a bit
artistic, and has ability to make things using their hands can pass
the requirements. The competitor is PMC Connection, which offers
two levels of certification, the second being “Instructor.” This
program was not available when I was “certified”…now they claim they
are better because they have two levels, and many are “crossing over”
to their certification. In MY OPINION (and many may disagree) Both
(all three or four if you consider the Silver Clay Certification) are
good, but one can do it all without instruction. It’s like Play Doh,
if you play with it, and good stuff turns out, that’s all there is
too it. It has limitations, you have to learn what they are. You
can love it because of the ease of use, or hate it because it’s
expensive, and may or may not hold up. But it may be fun to try –
even on your own. Just make sure it’s fired at the correct temps
for the necessary amount of time. If not, you will be very, very,
very, disappointed with it.

Hi Terrie,

I wasn’t trying at all to start an argument. Rather, I was
responding to another Orchid member’s posting, wondering why this
material seems to stir up such strong feelings. I just reread my post
and still don’t see it as particularly negative towards PMC. What I
was–am-- saying is that I believe this material has not been
exploited to any large extent for whatever intrinsic qualities it
has.

I hold no ill will towards those who use PMC, or cast, or laser
weld, or use CAD/CAM, etc. I am in no way a purist and love to find
use and teach shortcuts and tricks when they are effective. I look
forward to seeing new and interesting PMC work as it’s turned out. As
a teacher, I most enjoy seeing people excited by what they do,
whether it’s fimo, PMC, platinum, steel or lead.

I am sorry if my post was taken as argumentative or overly negative.
That being said, I stand behind it.

Take care,
Andy

  Does the above statement means that even after the piece has been
fired, the PMC will have the properties of clay??? I had thought
that after it had been fired what remained was 99.9% silver. And if
it is 99.9% silver, then instead of being brittle, it should be
more malleable.

I though someone else would have answered this by now.

While PMC Standard (the original material) is very porous and may
certainly break after firing if stressed by bending, PMC+ and PMC3
will not as they are more dense. The same goes for Art Clay Silver.
Bad castings are brittle and may break too.

My students and I have made many bypass, adjustable rings and cuff
braclets by forming and firing flat at 1650 degrees for two hours
then shaped them with our fingers (after cooling) finishing off with
a mandrel and rawhide hammer. I have sized rings up, I have sized
them down by sawing and soldering, I have engraved my initials in
them with primitive engaving tools (used for marking tv’s) and don’t
understand why professional gravers wouldn’t work.

PMC is a wonderful material to work with and I wish we could all just
get along. It has sparked my imagination in a way that beads and
string never did and inspired me to learn traditional silver working
techniques, not to replace the metal clays, but to enhance my entire
jewelry making repitoire.

Those of you who have only read about the material or have only seen
what you consider to be unskilled use of it, should get some and
discover for yourself what it may or may not add to your own skill
set.

Art is undefinable by any one person. What would Leonardo DaVinci
or Rembrandt have thought of outsider art or big orange curtains
cluttering up a lovely park?

Do what you love, and respect those of us who love something
different.

Lora Hart

I have been hanging back in this discussion. I see people I know
and deeply respect taking a negative position and wonder why. 

I’ve been hanging back too, but at the risk of creating yet more
controversy, here’s my take on why so many of us dance around our
negative feelings about PMC.

The plain fact is that you can use PMC at a very basic level and
create saleable work: It may not be original or even interesting, but
it can be commercially viable. Of course, a basic metal fabricator
can create uninteresting yet saleable work as well – but it will
take more training, more equipment, more effort and more time.

The point of this is that the PMC worker can potentially compete
successfully in the marketplace with relatively little effort. I
think a lot of traditional metalsmiths resent this on some (perhaps
not totally acknowledged) level. I don’t like to admit it myself,
but I do.

I agree with Andy that as PMC finds its own “voice” and becomes more
of an innovative than an imitative medium, it will gain increasing
respect among metal fabricators. But as long as it is perceived
merely as a way to achieve a comparable result with less effort, it
will continue to get no “props.”

Beth

  [snip] PMC (origional) which shrinks more than 30 precent
(although few want to admit that.) 

Actually, the shrinkage of original PMC is why I sometimes still use
it, in spite of the improved density with the later versions of the
product. It is possible to get tiny detail that might otherwise be
difficult to acheive, but is very easy with PMC.

–Noel

Beth,

Having watched you metamorphose from my early days at Culver City
Rock Club, to observing you at the Santa Monica Crafts Fair, I can
only imagine to what lengths you would take Metal Clay, were you so
inclined.

and Hugs
Terrie

Andy,

Horrors! Oh no, I was adding on to your comments, not suggesting you
were negative. Yours was a voice of reason. I just took on off from
there.

Have to watch my fingers, this is the second time a positive was
perceived as negative.

better sit on my fingers for a while.

:wink:
Hugs
Terrie

    I can't understand maintaining a determined prejudice against
the material itself. Like any other material or technique, it is
value neutral. 

Hi All;

Somebody, I think, has called for peace. I’m for war. War till it’s
over. So here goes. I hope someone has fun with this.

PMC’s difficult entry into acceptance. I’m flat-out cynical about
PMC. But I’m very clear on my prejudices. I feel you are
pretentious to call yourself an artist without an MFA or some equally
strenuous level of suffering in your history. I find it hard to take
you seriously when you call yourself a jeweler if you haven’t busted
your arse for a couple decades at the bench. I will turn on my heel
with a snort if you proclaim you are a metalsmith and you can’t do
everything from raising, casting, fabricating, and you better at
least have had some success at Mokume, granulation, and a little
blacksmithing as well. I’m a real snob is what I am. PMC? Well,
better knock my socks off or I’m going to figure you are a dabbler.
But all that aside, welcome to Orchid were diplomacy and good taste
prevail and we’ll try not to make you feel ill at ease no matter what
your skill level. Is everybody clear on my position here? Devil’s
advocate and provacatuer. So let’s look at what Beth brought up,
because I think she’s hit it on the head and I wrote this diatribe
before I read her post but it caught my eye.

Let’s look at the more subversive issue involved. Let’s take up the
socio-economic aspects. Why not get this over with by the cessation
of around-the-bush beating? What we are falling prey to is yet
another little way in which class warfare is evidenced these days.
I’m going to get grit in somebody’s eye, I know, but here’s my 2
cents worth of truth as I see it. Let me see if I can, once again,
be an equal opportunity offender.

The veterans of the trade have worked 40-plus hour a week jobs for
decades and they are lucky to make the wages of an auto mechanic.
They are tired of watching the bosses wife showing off the new pair
of silicone ones while they are driving around with bald tires on the
old Saturn. The art school grads are in debt up to their eyeballs
with student loans and they can’t get a teaching job because the
friggin colleges are going to bust tenure and run on adjunct and
interim faculty so no more cushy jobs if they haven’t just plain shut
down the entire art department. The craft fairs once promised an
alternative. Fun, travel, a good living, creativity. The trade
people wanted in, and they could do better with their well made gold
and gemstone creations than the silversoldering, bezel pushing hippie
types who went to art school. They understood that good jewelry was
hard work (thereby missing the point, I think). The art school types
hated them for their success, and were certain that they themselves
were the more creative ones, which was mostly true until they too
started imitating the heck out of each other and what’s more they
figured they were entitled since they were some of the ones who
started it all (which they weren’t, it was the
sandals-made-out-of-old-tires-real-hippies selling tie-dye).

Then along comes the beaders, and the wire twizzlers, and all the
rest of the amateurs, and they’re even working their way into the
galleries, the internet, jeez, they’re just spoiling everybody’s
dream of making a decent living doing something they like Along came
the merchandisers, selling overseas manufactured crap and really
spoiled it all for everybody, right? Maybe, but they were only part
of the problem. The greedy show promoters were selling two jewelry
booths to every one other craft space because jewelry was such a hit,
along with hand made glass which was also sooooo sexy (and pricey).
People who make more money with their booths won’t mind paying more
money for the space either.

For a while, the wholesale shows looked like the way to go, then
they too started to get too crowded, overpriced, under attended
because there were too many of them, under advertised, and there come
those damn beaders, twizzlers and ye-gods, dichroic glass crap
calling itself jewelry. Who let the dogs out? Dichrioc glass in
PMC? Shoot all the jurors right now! Retail shows, that’s where it
is now. Whoops, more of the same. It’s all just too many people
trying to get a piece of the shrinking pie. But is it really
shrinking, or just stinking? Probably a lot more people buying
jewelry, but a lot more buying cheap jewelry. Gersham’s Law at work
(google it).

So, PMC. Well, it allows somebody with a really minimum skill set
to make something pretty appealing (some would say it can really only
appeal to the unsophisticated). It requires little investment in
equipment. It’s real silver and gold. And . . . it’s multi-level
marketed in the same way the scrap-booking thing was. Take the
advanced courses, get certified, you get to teach classes and sell
the materials at a profit . .Perfect. Target the bored, middle-aged
housewife demographic. Any time now there will be more PMC
instructors than can fill their classes. M-L-M topout, or bottom
out, if you prefer. Besides, these PMC amateurs are going to under
price because their husbands have good jobs and they just do this for
fun and don’t really keep track of the money. Well, there goes the
neighborhood.

Well, listen up folks. I’m one of the most hard-core people here, a
bitter old veteran of both trade and fine art, and I waltz freely in
any and all camps, with my high-falutin’ MFA in metals and my 30
years real cahoney-busting slavery at the retailer’s back-room bench
and my roots in the wholesale sweat shops of Detroit. I can spin the
BS about deconstructionism and multi-cultural pluralism, drop names
like Jacques Derrida and Suzy Gablic while at the same time smooth
talk a diamond customer who comes in with a handful of Blue-nile
printouts and a smarmy Patagonia covered “I’m an educated consumer”
attitude stinking up the whole showroom. I can still size a dozen
rings an hour, no seams no pits, no problem. I can carve, cast, fab
and set. I can raise, braize, granulate and laminate . . . . Good
thing there’s only a very few of my kind and we’re all mostly
nut-jobs anyway or we’d bury all of you toot-sweet cause We Baaad.
We can make anything. We can make it real good. Who needs style? We
can do style-du-jour. Whaddayawant? . . . we’re ready. Of course
I’m suspect of PMC, but then, when I got out of art school and went
to work at the bench, the old timers laughed and called me a
“hobbyist” from the same sentiment. Now I’ve forgotten more about
jewelry than those hacks ever knew. So here’s what I say . . . .

Get over it. There’s somebody better than every one of us, always
was, and always will be. Very few of us are getting what we’re
worth, even what we need. And I don’t see too many people having a
lot of fun and if they are, somebody is bound to come along and spoil
it for them sooner or later. PMC can be badly done, and most of what
I’ve seen is lightweight even in it’s own right. If somebody is
having fun with it, well, somebody will put a stop to that. Most of
what I see in the trade rags is hackneyed crap. I want to throttle
some of those Spectrum award winners for their flat-out butt-ugly
creations and the kick the tar out of the intellectual art-types
hanging around SNAG for being such pretentious little snobs. I’ve
taught my dog to automatically urinate on the leg of anyone he sees
reading a copy of Art in America. None of what I’ve seen at the
wholesale craft shows is knocking me out. If I see anything I like,
I can’t get over my urge to make something I know is better. That’s
all because I’m jaded. Very good and very jaded. Nothing appeals to
me any more except very old jewelry. I’m like one of those guys
listening to Caruso on an old Victrola. My favorite metalsmiths and
jewelers are mostly dead. Sometimes I think I made a deal with the
devil so that I’d be the best of them all but the deal was that it
would never again be fun. So I say, if you want so pick on
somebody, let’s see you pick on the big bad guys who aren’t helping
the rest of us. Those would be:

Suppliers who squeeze us for our materials.
Service vendors who are greedy, incompetent, and arrogant.
Show promoters who overbook booths, under advertise, and let in the
riff-raff to sell crap.
Gallery owners who don’t pay their artists when they sell their
work.
Self proclaimed, self styled “Ar-teests” who are prima-donna
bone-heads who make their subs crazy with idiotic expectations
Employers who exploit their workers, by any means and for any
reason. Workers who automatically treat their employers as “the
enemy” from the get-go . . . not that I have that problem :slight_smile:
and anyone who generally expects a free ride.
and anyone else who is not “one of us” and me off.

. . . hmm. . . maybe I’d better re-think this…say, just exactly
who, in the above list, isn’t or hasn’t been, at one time or another
“one of us” or vise-versa?

We can always rip on Big Box stores and Mall chains. Easy targets,
and they don’t give a hoot. They aren’t in the jewelry business.
Not really. Jewelry, CD’s, pickles, what’s the difference to them. .
They took some of our market, but mostly they created their own
market for really cheap junky gold jewelry. They hurt the costume
jewelry business more than they did us.

Nothing like PMC threatens me, neither do internet e-tailers, or
technical wizards like Danny Brush, or a million other guys doing
what I do best, whatever that is. What threatens me is finally what
always has threatened me.

Change. Any and all change. Period. And that’s all that threatens
me. Well, that and loving anyone who I can’t be certain will outlive
me. Same thing, really. I’m with Jim Binnion on this. PMC,
interesting, overpriced (maybe that’s a good thing), not perticularly
interested in it myself. Go ahead, enjoy. I’ll let you know if I
get exited by it. Personally, I’m more interested in Japanese sword
hardware. That’s impressive. To each his own.

I’m hoping this might clear the cobwebs out for me and a few others
hereabouts. Meanwhile, I’m keeping my eye on these posts for
anything new and interesting. Might jog me out of jaded for a while.

David L. Huffman, working hard on yet another identity crisis,
revisited.

    I just see it as a product that could potentially undercut the
experience and techniques that so many have worked very hard to
achieve. 

Thank you for articulating this apparently common fear.

I don’t really get this, personally.

Yes, metalsmithing is incredibly hard and takes forever to learn.
No one can take your learning away.

Some people take to metalsmithing like a duck to water and learn
faster than others.

Some people don’t have to work a day job for a living and can spend
all their time on metalsmithing.

Life isn’t fair. Lots of people have different advantages.

Some people figure out clever ways to make cuff bracelets from sheet
stock, pre cut from their supplier, and they get $200.00 for it.

Then Beth wrote:

The point of this is that the PMC worker can potentially compete
successfully in the marketplace with relatively little effort.  I
think a lot of traditional metalsmiths resent this on some
(perhaps not totally acknowledged) level.  I don't like to admit it
myself, but I do. 

Okay, now I get it. Thank you for bringing that idea out in the
open.

In my opinion, to make the most of PMC, one also needs some
metalsmithing skills, ideally at least soldering. So fear not, if
they haven’t learned to solder, they’re not really competitive. And
if they have learned to solder, well, then they’re becoming “one of
us” aren’t they?

But again, lots of people are clever and use various things to their
advantage. One jeweler I used to know would rail against the
unfairness of life, someone he went to school with had married a
woman who had a flair for marketing. This other guy (a jeweler)
became well known and successful while my friend toiled away,
relatively unknown and unappreciated. He complained about the
disadvantages of not having spousal “free labor.”

If PMC is a special or “unfair” advantage, it is only one of many.

Making money at selling handcrafted anything has a lot to do with
being clever and quick, and finding the best possible ways to make
things that people will want to buy, that don’t take 35 hours each
to make.

Elaine
Elaine Luther
Metalsmith, Certified PMC Instructor
http://www.CreativeTextureTools.com
Hard to Find Tools for Metal Clay

Especially now that they have come out with a gold clay/paint. 

PMC - Gold clay is not new. It has been available in the US for as
long as the silver has. In Japan you can even get the gold clay in
different colors. In Japan, you can also get PMC Platinum.

Elaine
Elaine Luther
Metalsmith, Certified PMC Instructor
http://www.CreativeTextureTools.com
Hard to Find Tools for Metal Clay

You may be interested to note that the majority of attendees at the
2002 PMC Conference were metalsmiths.

Elaine
Elaine Luther
Metalsmith, Certified PMC Instructor
http://www.CreativeTextureTools.com
Hard to Find Tools for Metal Clay