Spend 5 min on Google and see if you can find a denatured alcohol MSDS that does not contain deadly poison use to denature it.
You’re right, the denaturing agents are toxic, but so is ethanol
itself. It’s the dosage that counts.
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
Spend 5 min on Google and see if you can find a denatured alcohol
MSDS that does not contain deadly poison use to denature it.
You're right, the denaturing agents are toxic, but so is ethanol itself. It's the dosage that counts.
Yep you are absolutely right but if you were to toss back a jigger
of 5% methanol 95% ethanol you would likely end up blind and three
them of them would most likely kill you. Where as it would take
another ten to twenty of pure ethanol to do you in 
James Binnion
James Binnion Metal Arts
Here in canada, in every bottle of ethanol sold at the pharmacy the denaturant has been camphor. It's one of those chemicals that's in the sweet spot of toxic enough to make you wish you were dead, but not toxic enough to actually finish you off. I've seen methanol, ethanol and isopropanol sold under the name "rubbing alcohol", I do not believe that methanol or isopropanol are denatured.
Here in the US the Tax Man is so paranoid that you might possibly
find a way around the tax on potable ethanol that they insist that
the denaturant is toxic to the point of being deadly. Methanol and
isopropanol are deadly poison, no need to denature them.
Jim
James Binnion
James Binnion Metal Arts
Many years ago on this board I read about Denatured alcohol, which I
have been using since I was 10 years old. Read that it settles in
your lungs, never to leave.
Don’t know if its true, but we went to isopropyl alcohol. I didn’t
like it as well, but wanted to e safe.
Rhodium plating solutions, stripping, solder, casting, fumes of all
types.
Didn’t have any 3 headed children, but did get tonsil cancer. But
who knows?
David Geller
Yep you are absolutely right but if you were to toss back a jigger of 5% methanol 95% ethanol you would likely end up blind and three them of them would most likely kill you. Where as it would take another ten to twenty of pure ethanol to do you in :-)
I thought we were talking about using it as a cleaner, not drinking
it. My point is that denatured alcohol is safe when used properly -
no need to panic because it contains more than one poison.
The lethal dose of H2O is 14 liters.
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
Didn't have any 3 headed children, but did get tonsil cancer. But who knows?
Feeling the same way, David 
Haven’t been using a lot of Denatured Alcohol, but I really don’t
feel a need for avoidable toxins in my life, so this thread had me
googling sources of untainted Lab Ethanol.
For anyone else in the State of Washington, it looks like the Class
2 Permit for manufacturing is the one that fits. Costs all of $5 if
you plan to use
I thought we were talking about using it as a cleaner, not drinking it. My point is that denatured alcohol is safe when used properly - no need to panic because it contains more than one poison.
While the thread has wandered around some the point is that if you
don’t know that it contains methanol then you may treat it with less
respect than it deserves.
James Binnion
James Binnion Metal Arts
Didn't have any 3 headed children, but did get tonsil cancer. But who knows?
[Re-sent because was truncated at a less than sign] Feeling the same
way, David
Haven’t been using a lot of Denatured Alcohol, but I really don’t
feel a need for avoidable toxins in my life, so this thread had me
googling sources of untainted Lab Ethanol.
For anyone else in the State of Washington, it looks like the Class
2 Permit for manufacturing is the one that fits. Costs all of $5 if
you plan to use less than 5 gal, or $10 for more, then one can get
“By Special Permit Only” Everclear 190 Proof, i.e. 95% Ethanol.
(Haven’t contacted the board to confirm all this yet tho.)
http://liq.wa.gov/publications/publications_license.aspx
At $12/liter it’s twice the Denatured stuff, but seems a small price
to pay for some peace of mind and less stench–much less any real
health benefits I may see.
Happy New Year!
Ann Ray
The lethal dose of H2O is 14 liters
Al- Nice touch of reality. Back in the 60’s when my brother was a
student at Cal Tech, the boys in the biochemistry department had a
saying. “Two thirds of the lethal dose of ANYTHING in the world will
get you high.”
We tested that theory.
Several times.
Have fun and make lots of jewelry. Oh and don’t drink your shop
chemical solutions unless you’re really sure of the dosage.
Jo Haemer
www.timothywgreen.com
Al- Nice touch of reality. Back in the 60's when my brother was a student at Cal Tech, the boys in the biochemistry department had a saying. "Two thirds of the lethal dose of ANYTHING in the world will get you high."
2/3 of the lethal dose of methanol will make you blind! There are
some things it is best to be very careful when handling.
James Binnion
James Binnion Metal Arts
Al,
I thought it was dihydrogen oxide that was toxic in large enough
doses.
Mike DeBurgh, GJG
I thought it was dihydrogen oxide that was toxic in large enough doses.
especially if you try to breathe it 
James Binnion
Would you believe that a high-school kid here in California did a
"fake" petition drive to see if she could get people to sign a (fake)
petition form to get a (fake) referendum going to ban this
incredibly toxic and dangerous substance, Dihydrogen monoxide…
(It’s the main component of most tumors, as little as 2 teaspoons can
kill you, 90% of all serial killers had ingested some within hours of
their crimes…etc.)
No trouble at all, getting people to sign on to ban H2O.
Science education in this country has much to answer for. (Sigh. I
say this as the grown son of two chemistry professors.)
Cheers-
Brian.
get a (fake) referendum going to *ban* this incredibly toxic and dangerous substance, Dihydrogen monoxide...
I love that stuff. But we don’t get much here in the desert.
A good link regarding dihydrogen oxide (or dihydrogen monoxide) is
Mike DeBurgh, GJG
Alliance, OH