Lee,
Designed by Nature, Perfected by People
What a great saying. Is this your original and if so can we use it.
Greg DeMark
greg@demarkjewelry
www.demarkjewelry.com
"Designed by Nature, Perfected by People"
Be careful about “spinning” descriptions of treated and lab created
stones. The FTC has very strict guidelines about revealing the origin
and treatments of stones. Disclosure is critically important.
It is fair to say that many treatments are permanent and are well
accepted in the industry; also that lab created synthetics are made
of exactly the same materials as natural stones and are more than
mere look-alikes.
Leslie
I'm not sure that I should be the one to tell you this, but if it is salmon color, beautiful or not, it CAN'T be ametrine. By definition, ametrine is a juncture of AMEthyst and ciTRINE, neither one of which is salmon colored."
Now this is interesting, Lee. It’s almost like you fell into a
verbal trap I absolutely swear I never even conceived of thinking to
set. It kind of wraps this subject together into a package. And in
fact you may be right but perhaps a little further examination of
the subject will be useful for some.
What you’re saying is that ametrine is defined not only by colors
but by a specific pattern of those colors. Yet both of those colors
occur in quartz and are phases of iron in quartz as affected by
radiation (or whatever the proper terminology is here).
As you probably also know, natural citrine is quite rare. The vast
majority of citrine is made by heat treating amethyst. I suppose
there is probably some manmade citrine as well, though I haven’t
seen it. I have seen manmade amethyst and have no idea what happens
if it’s heated. But that’s another story.
In any case, as I understand it, the only source for gem quality
natural ametrine is a mine in Bolivia. The salmon colored material
that I have, came out of a lot from that mine and was sold to me as
poor quality ametrine because it didn’t have the proper color
separation of orange and purple. However what it is is a color in
between where through a natural process, basically both the purple
and the orange phases of the iron have blended to make salmon rather
than being separated. I can’t tell how this happened. But it
apparently did.
I can’t imagine anyone treated it to do this since it’s considered
low quality ametrine and wouldn’t be worth doing. So we can talk
about this material being poor quality ametrine as it was sold to me
by a Bolivian, or we can try and make up another name for it, which
is an acknowledged no no. Or we can use it as a case in point of how
color is used to talk about good and poor quality which was the
rational for why this material got sold to me in the first place and
which was also one of the points I was trying to make. Come to think
of it, ametrine is an excellent example where color intensity often
separates good quality from low quality even though what we’re
dealing with is the difference between orange/purple and yellow/pink.
I think the yellow/pink can be quite attractive, but it’s considered
low quality in ametrine. But then sue me. I like pink quartz too, or
the stuff they call rose d’ france amethyst. If you haven’t seen this
bright and shining gem, it’s because it’s considered low quality
amethyst and it’s tough to sell.
Anyway, now I’m wondering how I can find more of this salmon stuff
because someone emailed me to ask if he could buy some. Unfortunately
I have very little rough and wanted to experiment with it some more.
Now I think I’ll try faceting a stone or two and see how it turns
out.
I might also add that, I am guessing, that were I to take a piece of
ametrine with color separation and turn it so that the layers were
horizontal rather than vertical before I cut it, preferably with the
purple on the pavilion, I’d end up getting the salmon color even
though the stone would absolutely fall under the definition of
ametrine. After all a great many stones that are color zoned are cut
just that way to have the color come up through. I wonder how many
people would like salmon quartz. Or maybe I’ll call it salmontrine.
Citrimon. Salmonametrine. Salmonethyst. Citrimethyst.
Derek Levin
www.gemmaker.com
people would like salmon quartz. Or maybe I'll call it salmontrine. Citrimon. Salmonametrine. Salmonethyst. Citrimethyst.
I really like the sound of Salmonametrine - say it outloud, it kind
of tickles!
Any material that you can use to create art & put food on the table
is not low quality.
Lee Cornelius
Vegas Jewelers
Be careful about "spinning" descriptions of treated and lab created stones. The FTC has very strict guidelines about revealing the origin and treatments of stones. Disclosure is critically important.
Of course, full disclosure laws MUST be followed regardless of
slogans used!
Lee Cornelius
Vegas Jewelers
Designed by Nature, Perfected by People
What a great saying. Is this your original and if so can we use it.
As far as I know, It is original with me. I did a Google search, and
came up with nothing.
Greg, limited only by my rights as set forth by the copyright laws
of the United States of America, I hereby grant you a non-exclusive
license to use this phrase in your normal course of business for a
period of not more than 50 years.
If you need it longer, I would be open to extend it at that time 
Have fun!
Lee Cornelius
Vegas Jewelers
Lee,
Thank you for the 50 year license on the phrase " Designed by
Nature, Perfected by People " I am in my 50’s and intend to live way
past 100 so can I get that extension now?
Greg DeMark
greg@demarkjewelry
www.demarkjewelry.com
Designed by Nature, Perfected by People
Greg, limited only by my rights as set forth by the copyright laws
My best educated guess—and nobody can get the “final” answer
without a court fight—is that the Copyright laws will give you 0
rights. The first round is cheap and easy, you fill in a form, sign a
check for $30, and send them to the Copyright Office in the Library
of Congress (www.copyright.gov). They either send you back a
rejection saying it is too short to qualify for Copyright or they
send you back a Copyright Registration which gives you the right to
pay all kinds of lawyer fees and legal costs to try to stop anyone
that uses it without permission. If the former happens (rejection)
then you can ratchet things up a notch by filing suit to get it
accepted for registration by the Copyright Office…
BTW, you forgot to include the notice requirements Greg must follow
to protect YOUR rights, without proper notice YOU could totally lose
any rights you might have…
But I’m assuming your grant was mainly tongue-in-cheek too…
There has again recently been a lot of mixing up copyright and
trademark on this forum. For a quick overview of the distinctions
(and links to more info) see my www.idearights.com web site.
James E. White