Just what is fine jewelry?

So Andy Cooperman wanted to see some contemporary work rather than
traditional that defines fine jewelry. So I sent him a photo of a
piece we just finished several days ago. It’s a 25.17 ct star rose
quartz in 18kt white gold with padparasha sapphire melle. He asked
me to share it with the general community. I’ve also attached a
photo of a palladium pendant with tourmalated quartz, black and
white diamonds that’s new this last month.

They may look too traditional for some to qualify for contemporary/
art/ academic fine jewelry, but it works for me. We use old school
craftsmanship, techniques, ( like azuring or ajouring), and
attention to detail. Yup we have obsessive compulsive disorder. We
take pride in the fact that our stuff looks just a pretty on the
inside as the outside whether or not is a traditional or modern
design. We may be dinosaurs, but that’ OK with me and our customers
too.



Have fun and make lots of jewelry.
Jo Haemer
www.timothywgreen.com

I haven't been in the industry long enough to trust my own
opinion, but how can I trust anyone else, when the opinions are so
different. 

What??? What did you say??? The length of time in the industry
shouldn’t have any bearing on you “Trusting Your Opinion”. An
“Opinion” is just that. If you have been working with jewelry long
enough to understand it is an “Industry” then you are entitled to
form your opinion and stand on it. Do it. Otherwise, this “Industry”
will chew you up and spit you out on the sidewalk. Set “YOUR
STANDARDS” for what you think…put your weight on your feet and
stand there. As a jeweler, you will constantly be challenged in every
way… business, integrity, and yes…“Opinion”. Its much better to
trust yourself… learn, grow, and it is perfectly fine to change
your opinion as you do so. After 35+ years at the bench and 40+ in
business… I can assure you the old saying…“If you don’t stand for
something, you will fall for anything” is quite true. Stand Up!

OK… off my soap box now! :wink:

Dan
DeArmond Tool
dearmondtool.com

In the Fine Craft arena, mastery of the techniques are assumed, the
use of quality materials an essential given. The element of design
and imagination have become paramount, the key in the lock so to
speak. Fine jewelry fits into that group of contemporary
artists/craftspersons. Difficult to define but when you behold a
piece of Fine Crafts or Fine Jewelry, you know it’s special.

Ruth Mary

One jeweller I keep going back to for inspiration or just when I need
a bit of eye candy is Barbara Heinrich. Whether or not the "fine"
jewellers on Orchid will agree, I personally find her work to be well
crafted, contemporary jewellery, which for me fills the brief of fine
jewellery.

I also really like the work of Aaron Macsai as was mentioned by
someone else.

A while ago I compiled a list of jewellers whose work I really
admire - a real eye candy list - but sadly I can no longer find it
on my computer! :frowning:

Helen
UK

I am tempted to say in upper case, underlined, bold-face italics -
enough already!

What is it about this apparently unresolvable question that keeps
people chewing it over and over like a piece of chewing gum, trying
to squeeze the last little bit of flavour out of it"

The quest for an “objective” standard can not take us very far to a
complete answer. Some quantifiable characteristics might be
listed,i.e. carat or purity or GIA category etc, but since some
folks can make a sow’s ear out of even a silk purse, the physical
qualities of the finest material can easily become irrelevant. You
can make crap out of pure gold and it’s still crap - or scrap.

Yet some people search and search for a universally-accepted
definition. What are they really looking for" In my humble opinion
they are looking for something they can hold up to buttress or
justify their own personal response to an object. Why" Because they
don’t know or trust their own feelings. They may see some item and
feel a great appreciation, satisfaction, love, awe - whatever words
you might use to describe the experiencing of beauty - but they
don’t have the confidence to accept their own authentic reaction as
sufficient.

They want support - especially if they are spending, or asking for,
a great deal of money for the object. That’s where the rubber meets
the road because dollars are where objective value (price) meets
personal opinion, and thus totally confuses the issue. How much
faith do you have in your own opinion" Could you fall in love with a
person who does not meet contemporary standards of physical beauty"
Just look at how fashions in personal physical beauty change over
time. Some eras find women with luscious Rubenesque figures
attractive, other times Twiggy is the “standard” of beauty.

Would you decide if your wife was a “fine” wife based on an
"objective" standard like her body-mass index" Or do you let your
own personal feelings answer the question for you" Recently I was
reading some account of the life of Steve Jobs in which the author
described Jobs trying to decide whether to pursue a relationship
with a certain woman. Jobs appealed to a friend, asking “Is she
pretty enough”" As though the opinion of another could answer that
question for him! What a confession of insecurity, of inner
emptiness!

Enough already.

Marty

One simply cannot provide an all encompassing definition of
something so undefinable 

Good question raised about definability.

So far in this interesting discussion, we have heard from
relativists and absolutists.

It is easy for relativists to define “finery” whether in clothing,
jewelry or gilded coprolites because that is determined by those in
the marketplace. But who defines the absolute standards of fine
jewelry?

American jeweler's don't (generally) have access to specialist
polishing or setting houses. They have to do it all themselves,
which leads to a different way of working, and way of thinking about
things. 

Sure we do.

Elaine
CreativeTextureTools.com

Silly silly silly.

Many moons ago I went to an art college. !/2 the folks worked their
asses off making stuff (even if crap) the other 1/2 spent far too
much time discussing semantics ad philosophy (and gawd knows what
else, I wasn’t listening) Mortality rate between years 1 and 2. was
50%. Guess where the cut was made.

jeffD
Demand Designs
Analog/Digital Modelling & Goldsmithing
http://www.gmavt.net/~jdemand

what you're saying is that "fine jewellery" could be defined as a
metal or alloy piece that is not made of anything of a lesser value
than gold? 

No Charles, what I’m saying is just exactly what I said, not what
you wanted to hear. There is a LOT of jewelry that is wonderfully
made that might not earn the exact title of “fine jewelry”. That’s
what I said, that’s what I meant.

In my world it’s just not that complicated - my world meaning me,
Jo-Ann, the people we deal with, the people we know and the people
THEY deal with. Which is pretty much the San Francisco bay region.
Certainly nobody actually uses the words “fine jewelry” in everyday
usage, but the people who have fine jewelry stores have standards
that they usually, but not always, will not compromise. I’m on
dialup so it’s too much of a chore to lookat all the links posted -
Monday I hope to get back to them on the real computer. I looked at
two of Andy’s - one definately yes, though I personally don’t like
it much. The other definately not, but real nice work. Most of the
people we deal with, which includes old-line guild stores and
progressive newcomers and everything in between - and some
galleries, too, have no qualms about carrying shell or rocks or
feathers. All it needs to be is beautiful and “fine”. Most might
carry a bit of silver but it’s not so much snobbery, again, as that
they are simply in the gold business, as am I. If we wanted to be in
the silver business, that’s where we’d be. On to the kitchen floor
molding job…

Not fine, but an interesting use of pure gold

I also remember, a while back, a face created out of gold atoms, of
course it could only be seen under an electron microscope… so 24k,
and 6 atoms wide… that’s pretty fine :smiley:

Regards Charles A.
P.S. Just remembering life is supposed to be fun :wink:

HI Guys,

Okay, who considers that they make fine jewellery here?

I would suggest that there be no comments on the pieces, just thanks
for those brave enough to present something.

Personally I can make fine work, and precision pieces in many
different materials, but I’m not a fine jeweller… yet.

It’s something I aspire to be.
Regards Charles A.

I agree that fine jewellery is about mastering your techniques. It
may in the past have represented high end skills and materials in a
certain ‘class’ of jewellers but I think in the 21st century that
definiton is certainly being called in to question.

I think the parameters of fine jewellery should represent a level
playing field for crafts people and there individual skills and
interpretations,with are ability and freedom to access a historical
wealth of reference material and skills through the web this alone
is a huge factor in creating a new definition.

I think as individuals we should develop the confidence to judge work
on there own merits ; good design, mastery of skills, function,
ethical sourcing of materials and the energy and love imbued in the
piece would be my criteria. Possibly the real question is how you
understand somebody reasons for fine jewellery.

If you have been working with jewelry long enough to understand it
is an "Industry" then you are entitled to form your opinion and
stand on it. Do it. 

I almost quoted Jeff about who makes it through school, but Dan’s is
good.

You gather up grandma’s jewelry collection and you go to Antiques
Road Show or wherever. The guy sits there and says, “Well, first we
have to figure out what fine jewelry is.” Hopefully you’ll gather up
your stuff and find someone who knows what they’re talking about. I
have a good friend who is an estate jewelry dealer - not quite a
liquidator. He gets hundreds of pieces a week of every sort
imaginable. Early this year he had a Spectrum award winner, two
months ago he had an especially choice Moubassin (think that’s
spelled right) bracelet. He sits there all day saying, “This is fine,
this is not, this goes to repolish, this goes to scrap.” And it’s
funny how we here, jewelers, galleries, stores, shops, use the term
as needed and we all know what we mean by it. The only place I’ve
ever heard any arguments is here, on Orchid. We are supposed to know,
we are paid to know, it’s our job.

Much more useful, quickly because I have construction work to
do… is gold. More to the point, Why Gold?

There are two major reasons why fine jewelry is associated with gold

  • a third would be that people just like it. The first is the metal
    itself. Gold possesses unique properties that no other metal or
    material has. I said it before and somebody took it as some inane
    challenge and started an inane argument, but you just can’t really
    make gold jewelry out of silver.

Yes - YES, it can be made, once. It can’t be made, marketed, sold
and guaranteed. What I’m talking about is stuff that depends on
metal properties - you can set baguettes with 24 gauge platinum
prongs - in silver you can pull those back with your fingernail.
Then you have firescale and oxidation… People who understand
what gold is about will understand what I’m saying, others will
ponder how many angels can dance… Ultimately it’s very, very
simple - the fine things that have been made in gold throughout
history have been made in gold because it’s the best material for the
job, not because goldsmiths are snobs, inherently.

Second, you have money. The value of gold has always been such,
relativeto other metals, that it pays to put lots of work into a
piece. If I have $1000 worth of gold in something, and I put $800
worth of labor into it people won’t think much of it, as long as the
value of the labor is there.

Do exactly the same thing on $50 worth of silver - tthe value of
roughly the same weight of $1K of gold, and you’re going to have a
problem. It’s just to say that there are reasons for
everything…

Lately we’ve been getting silver rings from a moderately high-level
jewelry designer who’s name escapes me at the moment. They are made
to the same “standards” as their gold jewelry. What they aren’t is
gold jewelry made in silver - they are a bit heavier, they don’t
have details that the softness of silver can’t handle over time,
they tend to be bezel rather than prong, etc. Nobody every asked me
if they are “fine jewelry”, but I guess I’d have to say yes, if I
were asked…

how about these for fine ?

goo

Nope- I’m no where near a fine jewelry maker. And most likely never
will be. Had I started before I turned 60, maybe I would have enough
time to become one. But - I am like a sponge, soaking up every bit
of learning that I can, whether by transmission by human, book,
magazine or good old trial and error. At the moment, I’m doing the
best I can at a given moment and just becoming… “what” I am
becoming in the way of jewelry still has to be discovered in time.
And I stand drooling over the “fine” pieces I have seen made by the
members of this list. Because by doing some, I have learned what
other people’s skills can produce when those skills are applied over
and over by a person who cares about what is produced.

Barbara

One jeweller I keep going back to for inspiration or just when I
need a bit of eye candy is Barbara Heinrich. 

Hah! I was just about to post her name as an addition to my list! I
would also include Petra Class, Abrasha and Jim Binnion.

Re: these two artists posted by Andrew
Cooperman:http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/1hl
DavidFreda

Wow. I’ve seen and admired David’s work in publications. Don’s is new
to me. Impeccable. This thread has carried on sooo long that I have
found it tedious, but I was compelled to follow the links that
Cooperman posted. His work is also impeccable!

Set "YOUR STANDARDS" for what you think...put your weight on your
feet and stand there. As a jeweler, you will constantly be
challenged in every way... business, integrity, and
yes..."Opinion". 

Thank you very much Dan, this is good advice and I will take it on
board :slight_smile: Charles A.

No Charles, what I'm saying is just exactly what I said, not what
you wanted to hear. There is a LOT of jewelry that is wonderfully
made that might not earn the exact title of "fine jewelry". That's
what I said, that's what I meant. 

My mistake, I misread that.

What I want to hear hasn’t been said yet :wink:

Regards Charles A.

how about these for fine ? 
http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/1hy 

These are very fine objects, but it is not jewellery. If we are
looking for examples of precision work, nothing can beat handmade
watch. The craftsmanship required to fabricate and assemble a watch
which can measure up to certified chronometer standard can only be
exceeded in very rare cases.

While jewellery standards of exactness are less stringent, a
particular requirements of been wearable under variety of conditions,
imposes severe restrictions which are very difficult to integrate
with given materials and design. The ability to fabricate, meeting
all the requirements and wrapping it all in one package, - that what
separates a goldsmith from any other craftsman.

There are self-proclaimed “jewelers” who avoid meeting these
requirements by making items which are difficult, or even impossible
to wear. Others, using materials like steel, or titanium, or bronze.
Some even use lathes and mills to work these materials. “Creative”
finishes are employed to conceal that piece has been so tortured
during fabrication, that no amount of polishing can save it. So
“creative finish” to the rescue.

Neophytes may overlook these tricks, or even misinterpret them as
display of “talent”, “creativity”, “originality”, and etc. But
professional goldsmiths know that it is nothing more but a
transparent attempts to conceal the lack of required skills.

Leonid Surpin