Jewelry and "Cultural Property"

Hi Daniel,

There are actually quite a few pagans around, and a surprising
number of Orchidians are pagans–I guess it’s obvious that I’m one of
them. I have known people, mostly Irish and Hungarian, who are
members of families that maintained the traditions of the Old
Religion for many generations, and I can’t speak for them. As a born
again pagan, however, I’m quite happy to see non-pagan artists using
pagan symbols, as long as they’re being respectful. So, as a
Priestess, I give you my permission (for what it’s worth) to use
Celtic knots and runes, as long as you know their meanings and
respect them. If you’re that attracted to them, you might even find
yourself attracted to paganism.

While there are certainly people in all religious traditions who feel
that it’s sacrilegious for “outsiders’ to use their symbols, there
are sometimes people in the very same traditions who disagree. I once
worked for “News from Native California” and witnessed some of this
controversy. There are even “legitimate” (i.e. they have the
"correct” amount of blood) Native artists who get conflicting
opinions from their own people about how they are using tribal
symbols.

The whole thing is a can of worms…

Lisa Orlando

I don't make kokopelli for sale I carved myself a cameo, but to me
kachinas are personel expression. When I see those stamped ones
without soul it makes me cringe. 

The proper term now is katsina.

Teri, I don’t know you personally so please don’t take this as a
personal personal response but rather a generic one.

Katsinas are not personal but a tribal or group expression. If one
does not know and understand what’s behind these figures, the purpose
and force (mojo) behind them is lost. They become merely
decorative.

Kevin Kelly

The hei-tiki…I was curious to see what this intriguing Maaori
symbol was so I googled it and found the Auckland Art Gallery (.govt)
and saw something way more sinnister than Sterling silver. They have
the little guy cast out in a rainbow series of resin perched on
lolipop sticks. Seems that silver ain’t so bad after all.

I find this discussion really interesting. I think there is a
difference between: Copying and getting inspired.

We all get inspired by what is around us and there is no problem
with that.

There is different kind of symbols:

1/ Religious symbols ( Cross, Star of David, Egyptian cross of
life…)

2/ General symbols: ( Spiral, star, square, circle…)

3/ Logos: ( Nike, Chanel, Dior…)

We all use the general symbols in jewelry, it is an universal
language and it belong to everybody, so we can all use them.

The religious symbols are a little more delicate. It is going to
depend on what you are going to do with them. Making a cross pendant
is fine even if you are not catholic, it’s the person who is going
to wear it that will give it its signification. If you see a middle
aged woman wearing a cross pendant it’s fine. But if you see a punk
or even a rap singer wearing a gigantic cross with 30 cts of
diamonds, most people will have a problem with that. Madonna made
the cross a fashionable item to wear just by wearing one in a video.

The heart is a symbol of love. Everybody can make a heart shape
pendant, and everybody can wear one: you don’t have to be in love to
make or wear one.

Now the logos: That’s a “Do not touch, do not copy” kind of symbol.
But you can still get inspired by the Nike logo.

My point is if you copy a symbol, try to know what it means first
and search the web or books to see if there is any restrictions of
how and where to use this symbol.

But why copying it anyway, it’s been done, just make your own
interpretation of it, that’s much more interesting.

Kevin,

The proper term now is katsina. 

Kachinas have many names there is no right or wrong word. The proper
name lol I call them what I was taught in the very early 1960’s in
the home of a family of Bear Clan do not take this personally, but
rather understand that the Hopi are a very very private people. The
People do not share their beliefs with the white man. Just look at
how many different ways each story is told to whites throught he
centuries and written in books on the Hopi life.

It matters not what I call them, but please do refer to the email I
sent earlier today and look for yourself at my Red Wolf Spirit.
Perhaps you will understand in picture what my words do not convey
well. I do understand what these figures represent.

Teri
Silver & Cameo Heritage Jewelry
www.corneliusspick.com

Absolutely David I agree don’t copy and do understand what the
symbol means.

I drew Red Wolf Spirit after a vivid dream of him and many many
kachinas dancing around a fire. Now I had been reading the mythology
stories of Hopi a few days before. Yes that is a wolf howling at the
moon in the eye. I sold a signed ltd edition print to a Hopi pilot
who was going overseas. He said I had the ‘sight’. So I do not think
I am offending anyone Hopi. :slight_smile:

Teri
http://www.corneliusspick.com/images/0redwolfspirit.jpg
Silver & Cameo Heritage Jewelry
www.corneliusspick.com

http://www.thebigidea.co.nz/article.php?sid=2404

This site is also a discussion of hei-tiki. I confess that I had not
heard anything about these before. I would be quite squeamish about
using symbols from a living culture that still uses them in a
personal way. That said, some symbols as others have pointed out,
some symbols have become common public symbols that would seem to
mean little to the person wearing them. The Christian cross is the
obvious example.

marilyn

Hello Everyone

And I mean Everyone. Because all of us have cultural roots and their
symbols. We travel and make dear friends. They share with us as we
share with them our ritual days and our symbols.

I was raised Mennonite and have friends from various cultures,
including Jewish. One day I bought a rutilated quartz that said to me
that that it was the center of a pendant-pin Star of David. I made
the object and it is very nice. I haven’t shown it to anyone. Don’t
know if I will.

Too many questions: Can someone from another culture make an object
significant for some other culture? Rienterpret and give an added
dimension? What about price: if sold on the general market it is just
an object, but, sold to the cultural group could (or would) one ask
more?

Writing this has cleared my mind a bit. I will set my price and show
this object to my various Jewish friends and see how they feel about
this.

Lois

Here’s an experience when I ran into the cultural property issue for
the first time. Maybe writing it down will illuminate something about
this issue for me or anyone else. In 1962 I had a neighbour who had
an interesting candelabrum in his house. It looked a bit like a
Jewish menorah but had sockets for 7 candles. It was covered with
crudely carved symbols. Some of them were recognizeable versions of
zodiac signs. Some were vaguely representative of recognizeable
entities like snakes. Some were abstract geometric patterns. My
neighbour told me the object came from Haiti and was some kind of
"voodoo" object. It looked like it was made of some kind of ceramic
but it was made of mahogany wood, painted and generally dirty and
beat up with a lovely patina. I didn’t know much about voodoo
(voudoun) but the object had a certain charm and, just for fun, I
made a copy of it. I made no bones about copying as I wasn’t about to
sell it or profit from it in any way nor was I claiming to have
"designed" the thing. I just wanted to learn to achieve that
"artless" charm and I figured straight imitation was as good a way to
learn as any, at least for a start. I did a good job and was pleased
with the result.

About three years later I was about to depart on a grand adventure -
sailing around the world on a 3-masted schooner. In preparation I was
finding places to leave the possessions I could not take with me. I
decided to leave the “voodoo” candlestick for safekeeping with a
loved one in NY and so there I was one day, carrying the thing,
unwrapped, walking along W. 83rd St. An old black woman was walking
towards me and as she approached her eyes opened wide. She stopped
me, grabbed my arm, and asked quite emphatically “Where you get that
thing?” I was a little surprised but not frightened. She was not
hostile but clearly she was somewhat surprised herself. My answer
only surprised her all the more, “I made it,” I said. (Talk about
"artless!") She dropped my arm and stared at me as if I’d told her
pigs can fly. Neither of us could think of much else to say or do on
either side of this encounter and we parted. I was full of youthful
self-regard, happy for something of mine to have provoked a reaction,
I was no more thoughtful than that - and she kept throwing fearful or
accusatory glances back over her shoulder as she continued down the
street. Only later, in retrospect, did I realize that I’d missed a
great opportunity to learn something, to find out exactly what this
object was, what it was used for, what its power was. It was clear in
the woman’s expression that it meant a great deal to her, that it had
a meaning and power which was clear to her while only “charming” to
me. It was also clear that in her eyes I looked entirely like the
wrong person to have that object in my possession, much less to have
made it myself. She felt as I might feel if I saw a 5 year-old kid
walking down the street carrying a loaded kalashnikov assault rifle.

So I regret my youthful obtuseness but that’s all in the past. I
have much more sophisticated ways of being obtuse these days. I
suppose, depending on factors unknown, that the situation might have
turned out hurtful or dangerous, that I might have given offence or
might have been offended against in response. In any case, after my
slow thought processes and ruminations on this experience, I have
decided to be cautious in playing with symbols. It is not that they
are the “property” of any group or individual but that they can
carry emotional weight.

Ten years ago I was still chewing over the dilemma of creating
something with that same “artless” or"primitive" feeling which had
captured my attention when I first saw that voodoo candlestick. I
decided to make some more of that type of candleholder but this time
I would not copy the “alien” symbols. I would make up my own - but
hoping for the same general effect. Was that ever hard to do! I am
not artless, nor primitive, and I come from a huge mix of cultures
with a giant vocabulary of symbols from everywhere. It was damned
near impossible to stay in the groove, so to speak. Even more
interesting was my discovery that every mark I made felt utterly
silly or phony unless I could find a story from which it derived.
The story need not come from any known religious or tribal
tradition. I could even make up a story myself replete with exotic
characters and events and, if it was a good story,and if I sort of
believed it, only then would my symbolic “illustrations” feel
coherent. In other words, I had to know the “back story” to which my
symbols referred. I made a half dozen or so of the things and gave
it up as a bad job. I am not in the same league as Tolkien, not
about to create whole coherent worlds, myths, religions,histories. I
could see from the reactions of other people that the things just
didn’t hold together.

And this is what I see when an object embodying a cultural or
religious icon is manufactured by “non-believers”. Technically a bead
is a bead, a cross is a cross, a star of David is a star of David
etc. They’re just objects and any machine or any craftsperson can pop
them out by the thousands. As simple geometric objects it probably
doesn’t matter what the maker believes - but when these symbols are
treated simply as “design motifs” or as decoration rather than as the
carriers of deep power and meaning - it shows. It just looks like
crap. Never mind getting huffy about disrespecting this or that
religion - it just ends up looking like cheesy, phony schlock. I
guess what I’m saying is that you can’t “borrow” significance. If you
are using a signifier in your designs, you need to believe the back
story or else your design looks about as impressive as the old Lone
Ranger Secret De-Coder ring that I got for 25 cents and a Cheerios
boxtop when I was 9 years old.

My 2 cents worth tonight, friends.

Marty in Victoria

Do you think people who are desperately poor won't use whatever
means they have to to make a bit of money? 

Many sacred Native American objects fell into the hands of
collectors in this way, including medicine bundles and drums. Many
parallels exist between the situations of the aborigines on both
continents, and the wounds are indeed slow to heal.

As for the matter of the hei-tiki:

They have the little guy cast out in a rainbow series of resin
perched on lolipop sticks. 
I was guessing you were thinking of making this from silver? A
metal tiki wouldn't feel right at all to me. 

I did some pretty extensive Googling and other research on the
hei-tiki before my original post, and I also came across the Auckland
Art Gallery’s “Te Hei Tiki” exhibition page. It looks like the cast
resin tiki hit home with you; the whole purpose of that piece,
according to the description that accompanies it, is to confront the
issue of the commercialization of a cultural icon. (The title, “Often
Licked, Occasionally Beaten,” may refer to the resilience of the
Maori people.) Another Maori artist has done a series of photographs
of plastic hei-tiki. I think this may have partially been a response
to the little plastic hei-tikis that were given out as freebies by a
New Zealand airline.

My Google search also turned up several different sterling hei-tiki
“charms” of varying quality, though I didn’t feel that any of them
were particularly well done. Part of my motivation in wanting to add
a sterling hei-tiki to my line was to make a more respectful and
accurate version of the symbol than those currently offered. I don’t
think that falls into the category of commercialization or
misappropriation; it’s not as though I expect to make “big bucks”
with this design, or that that was ever my goal.

As the world becomes smaller, it is important that cultures maintain
a discrete identity; however, all aspects of any culture - its art,
symbols, language, music, and customs - add to our collective
understanding of what it means to be human.

Best to all,

Jessee Smith
www.silverspotstudio.com
Cincinnati, Ohio

decided to leave the "voodoo" candlestick for safekeeping with a
loved one in NY and so there I was one day, carrying the thing,
unwrapped, walking along W. 83rd St. An old black woman was
walking towards me and as she approached her eyes opened wide. She
stopped me, grabbed my arm, and asked quite emphatically "Where you
get that thing?" I was a little surprised but not frightened. 

Wow, what a story! Thanks for sharing that.

A rather good warning for those thinking of appropriating.

I wish you knew what you had made!

Elaine

Elaine Luther
Metalsmith, Certified PMC Instructor
http://www.CreativeTextureTools.com
Hard to Find Tools for Metal Clay

What I haven’t seen in this discussion is the issue of context. When it comes to indigenous art one must think of it in the historical context of colonial genocide and oppression. We need to be educated on the topic before making such sensitive decisions.

Indigenous art and artifacts were stolen by colonizers all over the world and is it not acceptable for the descendants of colonizers (the Catholic Church, other missionaries, most of Western Europe, …) to continue to steal cultural artforms and use them in their designs. I think not. It isn’t a matter of learning about what they mean, etc., it is a matter of respect for the ownership of these designs and using them without permission. It is also a matter of recognition and reconciliation for past wrongs against indigenous peoples around the world. Why do you need to use their work as your “inspiration”. Just because you like it or are familiar with it doesn’t allow you to have it for your use. Be original in your designs and style or at least stick to your own culture. Respect cultural boundaries and if you don’t get it, educate yourself. Look up Truth and Reconciliation in Canada as an example.

I’m talking with my Indian girlfriend about this and she’s laughing. She also said that your appropriating her oppression so you need to find your own. She’s Chickasaw. I agree with you that there is the need for returning objects when there is a place to return them to and my point is this:
I’ve been reading the incomparable Oppi Untracht book on metalworking and it is nothing but a compendium of world masterpieces from hugely diverse cultures. Are you banning this book? If you think I’m going to close my eyes for fear of appropriation, then I think you need to maybe go for a walk or find a friend and talk.
Hope you feel better,
Jennifer

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I don’t comment often, but as this came to my inbox I find a reply necessary. This forum is about jewelry making and technique. We have been through too much over the years here Politics and virtue signaling have no place here. Please refrain from it. Be a better jeweler, Lapidary, hone your craft and stay curious. Always ask questions and don’t lecture. Enough said.

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Kind of sounds like a lecture too. I would guess neither of us intend to sound preachy, but strong feelings sometimes end up coming out that way.

Agreed, and there are actually very strong US laws against it though from looking on Etsy, most dont listen lol