The new fad of Illusion necklaces with a pearl, bead every inch
or so . . . are the beads simply ‘Knotted’ in place or glued …
anyone have an Idea??
Jim
Jim, I have seen them done both ways. I prefer to knot them
myself.
Carole
Jim, A lot of them are just glued. The original “Tin Cup” ones
were knotted on silk. The fashion stuff is glued on silk,
monofilament and tiger tail. The ends are either crimp beaded or
knotted and glued into bead tips.
Donna
The new fad of Illusion necklaces with a pearl, bead every inch or so . . . are the beads simply 'Knotted' in place or glued .... anyone have an Idea??
I’ve seen illusion necklaces done both ways, the beads glued to
the line in the low end places and knotted in the higher end
shops. Myself, I knot them. If the holes in the beads are too
big I flank them with small holed beads like seed beads. I’ve
also seen them knotted around the bead, go through the bead then
go back around and through in the same direction again, then
knot and wiggle the bead down so the knot is inside the bead. I
haven’t decided if I like the look of that though.
Lynn A. Davis
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jim - i took a close look at one of those invisible necklaces
with 4mm garnets & the monofilament line was threaded through
the beads & then looped back through - you could see the
’invisible’ line outside the beads. what is it with thinking
that using fishing line & calling it ‘invisible’ is going to
make everyone not see fishing line?? what are we supposed to do
when we see ‘invisible’ necklaces, gasp in awe that some female
has outwitted the law of gravity & found a way to suspend beads
or pearls around her neck without any ‘visible’ means of support
- like vagrants at the bus station? is this the 20th century
version of ‘the emperor’s new clothes’? sorry, i’ll go the
teeniest, ‘nearly invisible’ little platinum chain supporting
gemstones or pearls around my neck, but the only thing at this
address sporting a fishing line is - hopefully - a nice snook
off of our seawall. visibly disgusted - ive
Reluctantly,upon request, I made some to take along when I did
my last trunk show at Saks. I actually put crimps on either side
of the beads to hold them in place in the monofilament. To glue
it, I would think you’d have to have a pretty close fit between
the thickness of the line and the dimension of the drill channel,
and it threatens to be messy.You could knot it, but the
monofilament will break sooner or later, probably sooner.I say
"reluctantly "because it’s a pretty cheesy, stupid way to do a
piece of jewelry, albeit a very pretty one with a nice “floaty”
effect. I sold mine, but I was present to admonish my customers
to handle with care, don’t get cosmetics, sunblock, suntan oil,
or anything else on the their little treasures, and whatever you
do, store the piece separately in a bag. If the monofilament
breaks, the entire piece would have to be redone and to consider
this a disclaimer. I would be happy and available to fix it, but
there would be a charge. They bought anyway, with that
understanding.I’d love to do invisible stringing if there were a
material equal to the standard of quality I would like to
maintain.It can be really pretty, but it won’t be an heirloom,
if anybody cares.
Margery Epstein in L.A.-L.A. Land
Jim
They are put on a very thin string, normally 7 times or 49
times, that fits very exactly to the hole in tthe bead or pearl
and then glued in place. I use cyanoacrylate glue for the
purpose, at it works fine for me. Use the thicker one of the
cyano glues.
Kind regards
Niels L=F8vschal, Jyllinge, Denmark
@L_F8vschal
phone (+45) 46 78 89 94
Thanks all for the . . . have tried to get a look
at them but never close up . . I see the ‘bit’ as just another
fad which we have a couple of each year . . . going to give the
arty/crafty shows a try this Nov. so am looking those few items
that will pay for lunch! . . I’ll have to review all the ‘dos
and don’ts’ for these shows prior to going.
Margery, the new Rio Grande cat. has filament on page 8 of 2
strengths… 2 and 3 pound test!!! (for small fish) . . . guess
you would suggest the 3 pound or did you just go to a sporting
goods store, fishing section and buy filament. . . like the idea
of crimping on either side of the bead … never done bead
knotting so that might be better for me. … however, does the
’crimp’ show on each side of the bead… could you do '1’1 crimp
and pull the bead over it??
Thanks all again,
Jim C
Loveschal,
WOW!.. good info. but new questions . . . what size bead and
bead hole do you use … which give rise to the size of the
filament. Where do I get a cyanoacrylate glue(???, name brand?).
Do you use a 'fishing line (size) filament?
Thanks,
Jim C
I took one look at the monofilament sold in jewelry supply
catalogs and went down to Walmart and straight to their sporting
goods for fishingline. I use 10 pound test line, no way would I
trust just 2 or 3 pound line for jewelry. Depending on the
brand of line the thickness will vary so just look for one that
is thin enough to ‘disappear’ and still have a good test weight.
Lynn A. Davis
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Handcrafted Jewelry, Accessories
And Other Fine Treasures
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Hello, I am new and saw your questions on the illusion necklaces.
I use 7lb test line and you begin in the middle of the necklace.
You tye an overhand knot and slip it into the bead or whatever
you are stringing. If you use the crimp beads it is ok but you
will get a more profesional look with the knot in the center
hidden. After I get every knot done and the ends finished I go
back and place a drop of jeweler’s cement (superglue will melt the
line) on each knot so there is no chance of slippage. I use
sterling beads as crimps on the ends where you put the clasp. I
hope this helps you out! Have a great week!
Here’s what I do. Using 6 to 8 lb limp monofilament (not all are
the same) I tie a simple overhand knot. I also ream the center
of the pearl hole so it flares larger inside the pearl, using a
small round burr. then I use a diamond bit to funnel one end to
the outside. This must be small enough so the knot does not
easily pass through. Next I pull the knot inside the pearl. The
knot compresses to pass through the funneled hole, then expands
inside the pearl. The pearl snaps in place. I also use a little
glue, either watch crystal cement or gap filling cyano-acrylic
and inject a drop into the pearl hole. 6 to 8 lb test is quite
strong and the knot does not weaken it significantly.
Hope this helps, Tom Tietze
http://www.abalonepearls.com
Dear Jim,
No, I do not use fishing line, I use a very thin 7-ply
stainless steel cord. I know this is not transparent, but if you
are not too close you hardly can see it. I do not like to use
nylon and the like in connection with jewellery. The
cyanoacrylate glue is, what you might call 5-second-glue and
available from any hardware shop (and a lot of other places). I
saw in another post on this thread that you call the type I am
using for gap filling. Hope this helps.
Regards
Niels Loevschal
from sunny, hot and humid Denmark (at least today)
Hi Folks, I don’t know ‘beans’ about invisible necklaces but I am
a fisherman. There is a product out there called “Spider
Wire”(I think). It is a monofilament fishing line that is
extremely fine, very limp, extra resistant to abrasion, with a
very high (50-60 lb) break strength. It has virtually no
stretch. The knots need to be coated with a liquid to insure
their integrity. Go to a fishing store, not a -Mart sporting
goods dept. and the salesperson will be happy to tell you all
about it and similar brands. I hope that this helps.
Regards,
Skip
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I was having trouble getting fine enough chain to string some
small square sterling tubing and alternating gold beads into a
necklace. Tigertail was no alternative…too stiff. A friend
gave me a length of the kind of fishing filament Skip
described, and the finished piece had the flexibility of a
necklace strung on silk or on chain, and no one could tell what
I had used. Very delicate, virtually invisible and very strong.
When my friend returns from vacation in September, I"ll get
the brand name and send it along. D