Hi,

I’m making a ring 2mm square x 83mm but have to buy 3mm square wire and mill it down. My question is…is there a rule of thumb about how to calculate how much the wire will lengthen in the rolling process and therefore how much I should buy?

Thanks so much

# How much wire do I buy? Elongation calculation post rolling mill

**estovell**#1

**DonMeixner**#2

Hi Liz,.

Yes there are calculations and no I don’t them. What I did was to take notes on every piece of sure I ran through the mill.

I am puzzled why you can’t buy the size wire you need. Or but 2.5 x 2.5 stick and roll that down.

Take a piece of graph paper and Mark it a 3x3 piece of metal in Cross section and you have 9 square units do the same with the 2x2 which is you finished size. You have 4 square units which is slightly less than half the original material in Cross section. When you roll stock you are essentially pushing material along. And since you aren’t destroying anything I’d bet that by rolling a piece of 3x3 down to 2x2 you’d come close to doubling the length.

In any case it would be a fun experiment to try on anything less expensive than gold.

Have fun

Don Meixner

**dkuchta**#3

I’m probably going to embarrass myself here by answering this. The way I would approach the problem is to calculate the volume of there rectangular form that you want to get to: 2mm x 2mm x 83mm = 332 cubic mm.

Then 3mm x 3mm x length = 332, 332/9mm = length or 36.8 mm. I would add a bit as a fudge factor and make it an even 40mm and use the remainder later.

**Alec**#4

Yep, it’s a simple volume question. You’re not going to lose or gain any material, obviously, so the increase in length will be proportional to the ratio of cross-sectional areas.

3x3 = 9

2x2 = 4

Therefore, the length will increase 9/4, or 2.25 times, assuming you roll a perfectly accurate 2x2 square.

And I agree with David. Give yourself some leeway. Just like cheap tools are the most expensive, so is cutting too little material.

Good luck,

Alec

**estovell**#5

Hello all,

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I’ll work with these suggestions and practice on a piece of silver.

I agree that it would be so much easier to just buy the 2x2mm sq but I only buy recycled gold which they only sell in either 1 or 3mm square.

I’ll let you know how I get on!

Thanks again

**estovell**#7

Hey thanks Don,

I’m in the UK so import tax would probably make that prohibitively more expensive…appreciate the recommendation though.

Kind Regards

Liz

**gerrylewy18**#8

I live in Canada & the main reason I only buy Canadian is the exchange

rate of estimated 34%. If an item is selling for $100.00 will come out to

be $134.00 plus another charge for delivery…OY! a.ka. Ouch!

*Gerry Lewy*

**DonMeixner**#9

Are you able to cast it? If you can then cast it at 2.5 x length and roll it through the mill to size it up and clean up the edges. I have done that to very good success.

D

**aggie.p**#10

Gonna throw a crimp in your plans of figuring it out. One more variable to think about is what metal you are using. I do a lot of rolling down of thicker stock metal wires to form some of what I do. Silver does not squish out (good technical term) as much as copper. I did some gold a few times, and it was still different in how it deformed using the rolling mill. each of the metals, copper, silver and gold, will have their own density to think about. BTW I got good grades in physics, but hated it and promptly after the class ended forgot everything other than what to put in an equation so no I do not have an equation that would take all the variables into account. I err on the side of having extra. I’ve never been shorted that way.