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Gold, Silver - preferred/best melting temp?

Anyone have a good resource for the melting temperatures of gold & silver. I understand it can depend on karat and alloy added from somethings I had read while researching online. I rather get the info from this group of experienced jewelers.

Thanks in advance

I’m a hobbyist and melt silver and gold with a torch and you can tell when it is ready to pour by how it behaves rather than the temp. You get a surface that is very active and when you drop on the last bit of borax before the pour you get what I once heard described as a “sauron’s eye” effect which means you are good to go.
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