I heard through another site that he has gone out of business. Here
is the contact that I have; Ray Gabriel 1469 Rosena Avenue
Madison, Oh 44057 800-359-5166 or 216-428-6163
email Ray@OurGallery.com
Maybe those of use Orchidians who own videos would be willing to
compile a rental list of our own. Anyone interested?
Good luck!
Karen
Maybe those of use Orchidians who own videos would be willing to compile a rental list of our own.
I’ve thought about this and have, in the past, borrowed videos. But I
have to admit I have a bit of hesitation. Tim McCreight, Alan Revere,
Blaine Lewis, etc. have all got to a great deal of effort, time and
expense to produce these videos and share their hard-won experience.
Is it right for us to share, or rent out these copyrighted products,
in effect robbing these artists of the fruits of their labor? I’m not
condemning the practice, just suggesting some soul searching before
jumping in with both feet. As individuals we would benefit in the
short term, but we’d probably experience a limited number of videos in
the future if the existing products are not commercially viable.
Demand begets more product.
Food for thought/discussion?
Dave
Dave Sebaste
Sebaste Studio and
Carolina Artisans’ Gallery
Charlotte, NC (USA)
dave@sebaste.com
http://www.CarolinaArtisans.com
; Ray Gabriel 1469 Rosena Avenue Madison, Oh 44057 800-359-5166 or 216-428-6163
Ray moved from Ohio . . . I don’t remember what state he’s in now.
So, the Madison Ohio number isn’t going to work (after a year, I
would assume that a forwarding message won’t be available either.)
I would also guess that the 800 number was for the Ohio address and
won’t work either.
Is it right for us to share, or rent out these copyrighted products, >in effect robbing these artists of the fruits of their labor?
Dave, How would that be any different than checking out books or
videos from your local library? I often check jewelry related books
and videos from the main library here. If I deem one useful enough to
have around I purchase it for my own use. You aren’t robbing them
because someone had to purchase it in the first place and to run a
large library you would need to purchase several copies of the more
popular videos. As long as you aren’t making copies of it for
distribution there isn’t any copyright infringement. Are there any
limitations listed on the Lewis or Revere Videos? I know there aren’t
any on McCreight’s because I checked some of his out our libary here.
I’ve also seen some other jewelry related videos at the campus video
rental shop.
My 2 cents
Shane Morris
Hello Dave, Excellent question. It is my understanding that video
rental places pay a royalty each time a video is rented. We would
hope that was the case with Gabriel video rentals. For myself, I’m a
reference collector, and sincerely value having my own copy. Maybe
being blond does adversely affect one’s intelligence, but I can’t
imagine retaining every nuance of the details provided in a video.
;-} Therefore, I have to own the book or video for ongoing and
future reference. Simply viewing the techniques once, isn’t enough
for me. The real problem comes when people copy the text or video
without observing the copyright! After all the past discussions
about having one’s designs copied, I would hope this group doesn’t
copy someone’s book or video without permission/payment. My $.02
worth, Judy in Kansas
Judy M. Willingham, R.S.
Extension Associate
221 Call Hall Kansas State Univerisity
Manhattan KS 66506
(785) 532-1213 FAX (785) 532-5681
Ray & Hannelore Gabriel have moved to Salida, Colorado - not sure of
their phone number or address
I believe I received an email or mailing from Ray Gabriel about a
year ago- It was my understanding that he was closing his jewelry-
related business and concentrating on web site design. If this is the
case, renting videos from him is a non issue. I also think that
somewhere I read that the Florida Society of Goldsmiths has videos to
borrow- could be wrong. You have to join the FSG, but it is not
necessary to live in FL to join.
Anne Stickney
As long as you aren't making copies of it for distribution there isn't any copyright infringement. Are there any limitations listed on the Lewis or Revere Videos? I know there aren't any on McCreight's because I checked some of his out our libary here. I've also seen some other jewelry related videos at the campus video rental shop.
This is not true, you do not have the right to make a copy of any
copyrighted material unless you have permission in writing from the
copyright holder. –
James Binnion Metal Arts
@James_Binnion
Member of the Better Business Bureau
Yes, FSG has a lending library for members, including videos and
books. WE also offer wonderful workshops in Florida and North
Carolina. For on joining, please contact me off list at:
FSGrollins@aol.com Thanks, Gini Rollins, Exec. Director, FSG –
Ray and Hannelore Gabriel relocated from Ohio to Salida, Colorado.
Unfortunately I do not know their new address or telephone number but
I hope this will help… Grace
Friends, My plate has been leaking lately and I have not kept up with
messages. This one is important, and I feel compelled to answer.
We are speaking of Piracy here, I would love to have copies of all
videos mentioned. I cannot afford them, so try to buy when I can. Tim
McCreight and Blaine Lewis I have done so. One day I will also have
Alan Revere’s, but only when I can shake his hand and look him
straight in the face and say, “I am so happy I was able to buy these,
thank you.”
Integrity and ethics would make this World a much better one. We all
suffer when they are not present. Teresa
James, If you refer to Title 17 section 108 you will see that a
Library is allowed to make up to three copies of audio and video
materials. These copies can only be used for replacement of the
original. In other words if they buy one copy of a video and make
three copies of it they can still only lend out one. There is however
a clause that limits this right if the replacement cost is resonable.
In essence, if the video if already cheap then you are not allowed to
make replacement copies. It is a rather subjective area I think.
Shane Morris
Libraries are allowed to make copies of works that they have
purchased for replacement of the original. How does that have any
bearing on someone or a group of people buying or borrowing a video
making a copy and lending it out. That still seems like copyright
infringement to me.
Jim
James Binnion Metal Arts
@James_Binnion
Member of the Better Business Bureau
Hi, If you own the tape or VHS you can make a copy as a back up just
in case the one copy is damaged but you cannot lend it out to make a
profit. The companies who make tapes to rent have legal agreements
with the people and pay for every copy made and rented. If you make a
copy of a tape you rented you have stolen from that person/company.
Lets put it into terms we all understand if I copyright a design and
you take my design without my permission and produce it and sell it
well you just stole from me. To me its the same thing.
Sorry but feel very strong about this because I sold gems to a dealer
who had a number of her designs taken and copied and sold and it
almost put her out of business because the people who took them did
not have to spend the time or the money to create them.
Just one persons note Joe
Sri Lanka Gems USA
Is it right for us to share, or rent out these copyrighted products, in effect robbing these artists of the fruits of their labor?
Dave, You asked a valid question about ethics in the publishing
industry, and in my opinion, I think most people will do the right
thing, and buy the originals. Not all will agree, of course.
I’m a pretty jaded collector of reference books and videos. I’m also
miserly with my money. When I rent or borrow something, I do it to see
if it has enough new (to me) or updated of techniques to
warrant buying it. A lot of good books or videos are $50 and up. I
want to know there’s enough I can use to get a return on
my investment. It also allows me the opportunity to preview something
I might not otherwise have considered to be a candidate for my
reference library. Without this preview opportunity, I have a tendency
to dither about whether to buy it, sometimes for years.
Therefore, I preview candidates for my reference library, by renting,
borrowing or through interlibrary loans. If there is a copious amount
of “new to me” material, I invest my money to have the highest
quality original book or video. Also, if it is my book or video, I
have the freedom of adding notes written in the margins, or inserted
in the jackets.
Marketing a book or video is extremely difficult. You need to get it
into the public’s hands so they can see what it’s about. Many
publishers, such as Alan Revere or Charles Lewton-Brain will
disseminate certain parts of their to the public. It
allows the public to get a little taste to pique their curiosity. If
the reader likes what they’ve seen, they often go ahead to buy the
book or video. I know I do! It’s a sound way to target a niche market
for your material, and makes economical marketing sense to target a
ready market through Lapidary Journal or the Internet. Free copies to
libraries, universities which have jewelry programs, trade journal
media review editors and individuals who have name brand recognition,
are other effective marketing techniques.
My reference library has been borrowed from many times. Those who
have borrowed have gone on to buy their own, for the reasons stated
above. I have borrowed books and videos from friends so I can really
spend some time with the material. Usually, I wind up buying my own
copy. I want the freedom of my owning my own copy and the clarity of
an original. You have to be able to reference the material at will, in
order to not forget important details from these wonderfully talented
people who are experts in their field.
Of course, it’s a risk, and you bring up a valid point and remind us
that someone has put thousands of hours and a lot of money into
producing something for our benefit. We need to be ethical and honor
their hard work by buying the originals.
Kind regards,
Katherine Palochak
By the way, there is technology out there which allows watermarking
and encryption for books, videos and digital images. For those with
concerns about piracy, you may want to look into it. For watermarking
digital media, one tradename is DigiMarc.
I have been reading the comments on the issue of
renting/copying/respecting intellectual property in the form of
videos, in this case about jewelry. I have 8 videos out and 3 books.
It bothers me when people make money renting my videos. After all,
they are benefiting from all of the work and expense and energy and
financial risk that goes into making it, without any risk of their
own. In the case of my videos, I am not the copyright holder (Rio is)
and so it is not my position to pursue any legal remedy. I know that
I am losing some royalties to those who rent rather than purchase. I
also know that many people will rent who would not otherwise
purchase. But it just does not seem right. It seems like stealing. It
is.
And yet it happens. I understand the suggestion that renting and then
buying can make sense, but I think that very few people really do
that. The majority rent and then rent something else, getting the
benefit without paying the fair market price. When we rent videos at
the store, Hollywood studios get a piece of our rental dollar. But
when a small company or a club rents videos, they do not share their
revenue with the maker.
And so, I chalk the loss up to promotion. Hopefully those who rent my
videos from Gabriel or others will be pleased and decide to pursue
classes or books. There is not much else I can do about it. Everyone
has to draw a line somewhere. I try to respect the hard work of
others who publish and create, by not copying their work or violating
their copyright, or profiting from their efforts.
Just some personal feelings. Everyone is entitled to their own.
Alan
Revere Academy of Jewelry Arts
760 Market Street - Suite 900
San Francisco, CA 94102
tel: 415-391-4179 fax: 415-391-7570
http://www.revereacademy.com<
email: alan@revereacademy.com