Carrying on. I don’t use a barrier flux on the reticulation silver. Everything else is thoroughly flushed, using boric acid/ ETOH that has had the ETOH flamed off before it goes into the kiln. I don’t time anything but the reticulation silver. Everything is determined by the annealed colour temp. Having a kiln with a window helps.
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This is how to search the archives:
At the top of your screen on the right side are 3 icons: your Avatar, 3 horizontal lines and a magnifying glass.
If you click on the magnifying glass, you get the archives search engine. Go ahead, enter a subject.
After you start reading some of the threads shown by this search engine, if you post a reply to one of them, then that thread moves to the front of the Jewelry Discussion category. (One way to think of it is that your reply pulls the old discussion from the end of list to the beginning of the list.) In other words, the dates of the posts do not matter.
The benefit of this system is that it can keep old discussions current. The disadvantage is that a thread might accumulate so many replies that it becomes a burden to finish reading that particular discussion, which has not yet happened here on Orchid. But I know of another forum that often has threads that exceed 200 posts which is too much to read; thus the most important answers are lost amid all the meaningless posts.
Yes, I can’t imagine how long it would take to peen a 7 gauge ingot down to something that’ll roll down easily on the mill without taxing the mill too much. I’m a bit nervous to mill larger gauge ingots since snapping one of the gears. Sterling forges down pretty easily, but 3 oz ingots of 800 silver are a different story and respond better (quicker) to a severe beating with the 1kg sledge. I don’t have time to forge all day.
Thank you Betty2 for the help!!
Yep, I hear you @Sonja.
Working on 20 or 30 gramm bar or even less is another story as yours aswell.
There are solutions for your way of working Sonja but I don’t want to go
into this matter.
I don’t have the experience or the specific knowledge to help you out other
then hot rolling metal.
There is even a difference on forging the grainsize and structure with a
mill compared with a hammer.
Believe me, I heard countless times that people never had problem with
their way of approaching the forging process.
Forging is much more then reducing the size of a piece.
That’s what I try to point to talking about the crystal or grain structure
and defects caused by improper forging
Pounding with a hammer on metal is effecting the grain strucure and is a
science.
If one understands this, he/she might look different on how to use that
sledge hammer and change it for a peen hammer with repsect for your heavy
work Sonja.
Thanks to Betty2 her help, I found and article which may help out a bit
about how to forge precious metal.
It’s not the one which I like to reffer to but people can find lots of very
good information on how to forge and the procedure of it.
I hope that article explains more then I can write.
There is an article (somewhere) in the archives where Leonid Surpin
explains the way to forge with nice drawings.
I just can find it at this moment.
Best regards
Pedro
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@aloped
I too, have been searching for certain posts by Leonid Surpin, and temporarily gave-up the search, but your post reminded me to try again. Previously I only searched for subjects and felt lucky to find Leonid’s posts.
But this time, I searched on his name, and at the bottom of the listing where it says “show more”, I see his avatar, a purple circle with L inside.
I clicked on his avatar and it took me to his activity page, where I could see all of his posts.
Or you could just click this:
@leonid_Surpin
Then click on his avatar.
@aloped
I wonder if you are looking for an article that @leonid_Surpin wrote, which, because articles are classified differently, I don’t know if they are listed in the archives.
But I have not had much luck finding specific articles, and I don’t know much about how to search for them.
In case you do not know this, the articles and videos are located in The Learning Center, on the Ganoksin home page.
You get there by clicking the top left side of your screen that says “Back to Ganoksin”, where you’ll see the highlighted link.
@Pedro_Alonso-Sanchez. I’m always willing to try new techniques and if it makes it easier that’s great. Forging 800 silver ingots is probably my least favorite thing to do. As you say, some people have no problems with their heavy handed forging technique and I may be one of them. I’ve had no problem with cracking so far, but maybe it’s because I tend to forge a little and then anneal. I’ve never done a 50% reduction before annealing. More like go from 7 to 8 garage and then anneal. 8 to 9 gauge and anneal. And then when I hit 14 gauge I’ll start rolling down two gauges before annealing again. Who knows why this is working for me, I’m self taught, no formal education, the science is beyond me and I tend not to follow the main stream. Don’t get me started on soldering, lol!
@Sonja :
My point of view is not to change your way of handling.
If it works for you well that is fine but their is always a “but”.
Understanding why you do something is prior to doing something because you
don’t know better.
Your words “but maybe it’s because I tend to forge a little and then
anneal” are telling enough.
Swimming against the straim can get you their.
You need to work harder for having (maybe) the same results, but you don’t
know.
Anyway, forging is much more then size redudtion.
If someone likes to go for a superior metal to start with, then it whould
be advicable to read what James Binion, Leonid Surpin and other craftsmen
wrote on very useful information.
It gives you a very easy understandable inside view how your metal reacts
according the wayyou perform your forging.
Wishing you the best.
Hi Sonja,
I will look into the Peddinghaus hammers as well, thank you!
Julie