The perceived value of metalsmithing mentoring

I'd love to spend three solid days at your studio, if I could,
learning the very fundamentals of silver-working the right way...
the professional way... all ship shape and Bristol fashion. I'd
want to learn skills I can bring back: how to alloy 925 from
scratch without a master alloy handy, proper hammer technique,
manual wire and bezel forming sans rolling mill, soldering with
flux, pickling, and polishing. And a basic course in using my
Miniflam torch, which I have as yet used but can bring with me.

As an instructor for a beginning silversmith program I must say this
fellow needs a reality check!

In my experience silver work has a very steep learning curve.
Learning the working properties of silver takes time and repetitive
experience. Proficiency comes with time. In my class I teach a
simple bezel set cabochon pendant project. The class is one day a
week, eight weeks, three hours per class. This amounts to 24 hours
of class time per session. Three days of instruction (8 hours per
day) at the hand of an experienced jeweler would amount to the same
number of hours, but with a lot less assimilation time.

A student that attends my classes, works diligently and also engages
in self directed study in his free time, will learn all skills
necessary to do basic silver work (piercing, soldering,
manipulation, finishing and design/order of fabrication). Upon
completion of his first piece he have the confidence to start
self-teaching if he so desires. Said person will still be quite a
way off from basic metallurgy, milling their own materials, and any
advanced techniques, let alone proficiency in basic work.

I might suggest that Mr. Fine try finding a classroom environment to
begin his endeavors, a bit of googling brought this forward;
http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/3c

Jewelry making is an expensive undertaking in good times, in tough
times it can break your back. If you are poor-mouthing now, it will
not bode well for getting your career off the ground.

Sell the electromelt and pay for some education, It would be a
better spend of your money. If you have access to tufa and feel that
it would be of value to jewelers, figure out how to package and ship
it successfully and then sell blocks on eBay. That would also serve
to fund your education.

Best of luck!
Jean pSmith

I totally agree that it is fine to ask for anything and that it is
likewise fine to deny any request.

But I felt --and feel-- that there was a note of expectation in at
least one of these mentorship requests. Expectations that are, to
some degree no doubt, buoyed by the free flow of and
sharing nature of this forum that that l generosity will
be extended into another realm.

This world outside of the forum (the bricks and mortar world) is of
course governed by different realities regarding time and, even,
generosity.

Just my two cents.
Andy

I don't see anything immoral about using my skills, time, hands, or
mind as currency. 

Mr. Fine, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I feel it necessary to
point out that I don’t consider your request immoral, nor did I refer
to it as such in my post.

Take care, Andy

Thanks for the comment, Mary.

So, should all classes be offered at no charge and as a public
service? Really?

I feel that the offered on forums such as Orchid or on
the vast variety of DIY sites is incredibly valuable and I revel in
the fact that it is offered freely and with no expectation of return
save for the give and take of learning. I avail myself of these
resources and gladly reciprocate by offering when I can.

But this is different in my book than requesting the block of time
(and the overhead of fuel, electricity, etc.) that is inherent in an
in-person mentoring experience.

I applaud the generosity that Mr. Fine mentioned in his post
regarding donations to him made by many in the Orchid community. And,
of course, I applaud the generous spirit of Orchid in general. I
support our food banks, freely give my time in the community and
have, I believe, the reputation of being a generous instructor.

I believe in mentorship but perhaps it is the definition of the word
that is creating discord. In the times that I believe that I have
acted as a mentor, I consider that to be providing
support–technical, emotional and conceptual, offering honest
feedback and a mature perspective and standing by ready to give that
special boost to get a person past a rough spot. It is an ongoing
relationship and a chemistry. While the relationship may include time
spent observing me in the studio and a lesson when appropriate, it
does not --in my definition-mean necessarily providing a classroom
or course of study.

I have to agree with Michael Sturlin (who was agreeing with me). I
think that he summed it up well in his post.

I believe in community and hope for the world that you describe. And
so, I ask again: Why charge for instruction at all?

Take care, Andy

OK Kids, Stop it or I’ll separate you. Anyone Not appreciate the
advice and knowledge given here?.. Anyone with advice or knowledge
not enjoy giving it? Damn! Thinking of this I’m off to make a
donation such as I can. I can’t stand the guilt.

A mentor to Rick

Last year Rick came into my shop looking for the Clock Shop that had
been my neighbor for 20 years and had moved. He was needing some long
screws for a project that needed a cold connection. Just so happens
in my former life as an Optician I had boxes of optical screws. After
meeting Rick, he offered to clean glass, vacuum, grunt work just to
hang around and watch. I wasn’t interested. I had ten years ago taken
a student on, quite successfully and didn’t feel the need to do it
again. He didn’t give up. When he came in with a project he had made
at home, self taught, and asked how to make it better. Well, to say
the least I was impressed with the design and beauty of it. Long
story short, he is now working at the bench next to mine when ever
there is a chance. He has the hunger and the skill I think are
necessary to make it in the jewelry business. I have been working
with Rick for half a year now, I keep forgetting he is a newbie. He
has so many self taught skills that when I do some thing as simple as
cutting jump rings in a way that he never thought of, well he is
watching with amazement. It can be great fun to pass on 30 something
years of working the day to day repairs and custom work I take for
granted. SO, now how to make a niche for Rick. I make a living, keep
busy as I want. Make people happy every day, but how to fit another
person with a hunger for making pretty things that sell? We have been
trying to figure that out. I really want to be able to help make
things happen, and at this time and economy isn’t going to make it
easy. This past week I think I found a skill that he has that could
make it work. He has found wax work to be very enjoyable. It’s not
that I can’t do custom wax, it’s just with all the other things I do,
wax tends to take a backseat. So, as with all things, you have to do
what the customer comes in the door wanting to be made. And as for
being a mentor, part of it is to teach how to please the people with
the money to make just what they were wanting. This past week I was
able to pass two custom waxes over to Rick and he had a great Friday.
Three of his very cool silver pieces sold to one very happy customer.

So, what do I get from mentoring for free? I get a really nice person
to work with at the bench next to me when my favorite student, Gary,
is off fishing. I get the inspiration that a new and excited metal
artist brings to the shop with so many ideas that my head spins some
days. I get help when the shop is too busy for one person with no
employees to help.Rick’s wife, Cris is amazing with customers too.
And I learned years ago when I teach, I learn more than I give. It is
such a win win situation and I feel blessed to have let not just one,
but three amazing people I now call friends into my little world of
jewelry making. After 32 years, I still look forward to the next
learning years for all of us. And yes, Orchid is amazing, I can’t
even count the things I have learned here. Just wish it had been
around when I started in 1979.

Janine in Redding California, where my daffodils are blooming to soon.