Polishing gloves

Yep, no gloves for me. I’ve been reading most of these posts and
thoughts. It’s not for the first time this debate has raged.

My age is 74 - Of which 59 years in workshops, mostly wood, metal,
and, for good measure, some damned good restaurant kitchens too. 59
years.

Some folks can get away with doing anything crazy forever - even
wearing gloves around spinning machinery, or wearing neckties, or
anything loose and dangly - blind good luck, OK. It doesn’t prove a
thing except that some folks are lucky.

I’ve gotten away with doing siliy things - mostly. Until I learned
better - maybe by having a close call. Maybe even by getting good
advice from someone who knows better than me. There are plenty of
them folks around.

I’m probably still getting away with silly things that I don’t even
know about.

But when I do make a conscious decision, for example, deciding about
wearing gloves near machinery, here’s the way I choose what to do.
For each alternative I ask myself, “What’s the worst that can
happen?”.

For polishing without gloves the worst might be burned fingertips,
or dirty fingers or (gawd forbid!) fingerprints on the silver!

For polishing with gloves it could be fingers missing or maimed.
Maybe worse.

Looking at the choice that way, it’s an easy choice, yes? Of course,
you might just be lucky forever, no matter which choice you make,
It’s been known to happen.

Good luck to all!
Marty

sure don’t want anything like that to happen! It would seem risk
comes down to having the knowledge and experience when to use them
and when its not safe to use them. Holding large pieces there is
much lower risk than when polishing a button [thanks for that tip
Don/Rob] or some tiny item. Something really small I use the flex
shaft or I have in the past used Dop Wax on a stick to polish small
items.

Aurora

Anyone rolling through RI is welcome to stop by my shop and watch
me polish with gloves. 

Love to Jeff if its ever in the budget! Aurora

I observed heavy leather gloves, nothing that would tear off or
get caught. 

If you go to the OSHA website you can find several accident reports
of industrial polishers with heavy gloves having fingers amputated
by getting caught in polishing machines while working on larger
pieces similar to hollow ware. So not just something that one heard
of by word of mouth or rumor, documented industrial accidents that
had OSHA involved. You will not find much about jewelry shop
accidents because most jewelry shops are too small to come under
OSHA jurisdiction so there is no easily found data is available.

Aurora

the polishing done with the white shirts was not at any class but at
the job, in the designers shop, but he was also someone who stopped
work end of day 15 minutes early and had us clean and wet wipe ALL
surfaces in shop, EVERYDAY. and he would white glove test random
surfaces. we were 9 workers there,6 of us from the same school and
same classes. so we worked well as a team.

his polishing room had a Torit dust collector at 5 HP and we still
had to be as clean and immaculate in the work shop. most of this
thread about polishing and working clean has to do with your
awareness of your body movements and and angles to where you are
positioned in the work space. the reason why accidents happen to
experienced people, is because they loose that awareness even for a
second, take your eye off the ball and you loose the game sort of
thing.

some of the turn of the last century machinery will be hard to find
images of. if you check jewelry industry history or archives you
probably find it. I was told there is a jewelry museum in Rhode
Island. so probably there.

regards, Hratch

Charlie- do you buff in the buff?

Can you suggest a silica free compound that would give a final
quick finish to sterling and gold fill metals? 

Most rouge compounds. Classic red rouge is iron oxide. no silica.
Green rouge (chrome oxide), black rouge, and a number of others.
Silica is actually not normally the agent in final polishes. It’s in
the cut down compounds like tripoli, white diamond, etc.

Janet,

Polishing holloware and flatware will end up with finger prints and
smudges from the polish if I don’t use cotton gloves. This is my
preference which has worked since I started creating sterling jewelry
in high school. I respect whatever method you use.

Jeff Herman

I’ve tried gloves or those leather finger thingies over 30+ years and
hate how they don’t allow me to “feel” the piece so I never use
anything.

I do not use gloves. 47 years now. I do have a few strips of leather
that I use to hold mostly silver items with when polishing protects
from the heat. Ialso use a expandable ring sizer to hold my rings
while polishing the outsides of them much safer then holding a ring
in your hand. I know this will shock a lot of people but I do not
polish the inside of my rings. I use 400 grit sand paper on my flex
shaft and leave a satin finish onthem. In 45 years no one has ever
complained and engraving looks better on asatin finish. My reason
for doing this is I once had a customer bring in aring that I did
not make and insisted she bought it in my store and the.02ct diamond
had fallen out. I replaced it and then started sanding the insides
of all my rings. next time someone came in to my store to pull the
same trick I simply pointed out that it could not have been one of
my rings as is part of my signature I always give all my rings a
satin finish on the inside of the shanks.

Vernon Wilson

Can you suggest a good silica free cut down product?

I believe that LUXI Blue is silica free and works well. I use it
instead of Tripoli. Rob

Rob Meixner

Polishing gloves are dangerous. I witnessed two accidents involving
gloves and machinery. One was at work and involved a 3-roll grinding
mill, rubber gloves and an injured hand. The other was at my evening
silversmithing class. A fellow student was wearing leather gloves
while polishing an item, and a glove got caught on the buff. Her hand
was badly injured, and I took her to the emergency room at a nearby
hospital.

Don’t wear gloves while working with polishing equipment.

Karen

Good tips thanks Vernon!

Aurora

Hi all

I know this will shock a lot of people but I do not polish the
inside of my rings. I use 400 grit sand paper on my flex shaft and
leave a satin finish on them. 

Me too but I use 1200 grit. In 35 years no one complained.

All the best
Richard

Can you suggest a good silica free cut down product? 

Out of curiosity, why?

The main concern I’m aware of with silica is silicosis, caused by
chronic inhalation of crystaline silica, such as found in casting
investments and some ceramics materials. But the “silica” normally
used in polishing compounds, such as brown tripoli or white diamond
tripoli, is not that form of silica. It’s diatomacious earth, the
fossil remains of tiny seaborne diatoms, a form of algae (thanks
wikipedia). While this is still silica, it’s mostly an amorphous
form, with only a small percentage being the crystaline form. In the
polishing compounds, it’s all held together with wax or grease based
binders, which also reduces the airborne amount of free floating tiny
crystals that can be inhaled.

Yes, there is a small risk if you have no protection from it, but
even with the pure crystaline silica found in things like platinum
investments, it takes long term chronic exposure to lead to
silicosis. With polishing, if you’ve got a decent machine with dust
collector, the amount you’d be inhaling would be miniscule, and a
simple dust mask could cut that to zero. And since silica is
generally pretty inert to the body in terms of reactions and the
like, I’m curious what your concern is about a silica free cut down
compound? With normal care in use, you really don’t have much in the
way of a risk to worry about.

(That’s not the case with casting investments, which can expose you
to much higher levels of crystaline silica in the most damaging
particle size ranges)

So. Just being curious.

But also, an answer.

While the brown and white diamond tripoli compounds both are silica
based (as is, I think, bobbing compound, though I’m not sure of
that), I’m pretty sure that greystar compound is based on emery
(aluminum oxide) abrasives. Again, you should check that, but I’m
fairly sure. The other ones that come to mind are some rather
expensive, but wonderfully effective, platinum polishing compounds
sold by a number of dealers. Gesswein was the first to import them
from Japan, now others do too, including Otto Frei, and others. These
are aluminum oxide abrasive compounds available from an 800 grit
(which works very well as a tripoli cutting compound on all metals,
not just platinum), in a number of steps all the way up to an 8000 or
higher grit, which are used as high polish rouge compounds.

I like these compounds, but be warned, they’re rather costly. Easily
ten or twenty times the cost of things like tripoli and red rouge…

Oh, and for the record, no matter what types of cutting and
polishing compounds you’re using, silica based or something else, you
should be working such that you’re not inhaling compound. If your
dust collector isn’t fully effective (many of the less costly units
are not perfect, especially with larger diameter buffs), and it
doesn’t collect all the airborn polishing dusts, then wear a mask.
When you’re done polishing, you can have dirty fingers. But not a
dirty face. If your face looks in the mirror like you’ve been down in
the mines, then you’ve been breathing stuff you would be better not
breathing, no matter what the compound is. You don’t need some big
fancy filtered respirator with buffing compounds (though those can be
a good idea with casting investments). Just a simple disposable dust
mask is fine. 3M makes a number of types, and they’re not that
expensive.

Peter Rowe

the reason why accidents happen to experienced people, is because
they loose that awareness even for a second, take your eye off the
ball and you loose the game sort of thing.

Very true Hratch much like driving and using a cell phone or
texting.

Your ‘white shirt shop’ sounds like a nice space to work in!

Aurora

I believe that LUXI Blue is silica free and works well. I use it
instead of Tripoli. 

Is Luxi blue same as Dialux Blue that Rio sells?

Aurora

They’re two different manufacturers. And the entire Luxi line is
silica-free.

Jeff Herman

And to expound upon Jeff’s answer, Dialux Blue does not contain
silica, specifically. Other products in the Dialux line do contain
silica, unlike Luxi as Jeff replied.

Cheers,
Becky