Permanent Metal Markijg Pens

try Milwaukee markers, available at Costo

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How about painting the area to be engraved or pierced with china white paint and then transferring your design onto the area with carbon paper - ie tracing over the design on top of the carbon paper. Bit fiddly and requires a steady hand!
Cheers Willie

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More good suggestions. I will look at the Milwaukee pens tomorrow. Thanks…Rob

That’s what I use and the engraving pen that came w my engraver machine

Hello everyone! Very long time lurker here! I’ve learned so much over the years and I’m happy to be here :slightly_smiling_face:.
Regular Sharpies definitely don’t stay on despite the word ā€œpermanent ā€œ. BUT, the Ultra Fine point sharpies do. They don’t rub off at all. I never would have thought to check something like this and I actually learned it in an engraving class with Marlen Hazel.

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Marlen is so cool! And welcome!!

Thanks!
Hazel is amazing- the class was taught by her mentor, who just retired and she was teaching alongside him.

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Yeah she really pushed me into engraving.I posted about her a while ago on here. Good lass

Does she ever teach on the East Coast?..Rob

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I don’t think so at this time

Get a mechanical pencil and a sewing needle of the appropriate size to fit into the pencil. You will have to file/grind the eye of the needle off and just insert it into the pencil. Pretty handy.

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The best marker I’ve found for marking on metal is Pilot ultra fine point, permanent type. I learned about them from a Valentine Yotkov chasing workshop.

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More good ideas. As feed back, I was at my local hardware buying 1lb. propane cylinders. They had them for $6.50 each. I noticed the Milwaukee tool display had fine point marking pens. I bought a pair and they work well and stay on the metal after being heavily manipulated. This was one suggestion from the many offered in this discussion that I have had a chance to try. Thanks…Rob

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I just picked this up at the local art store and it’s working great to mark onto metal. After it dries, it seems to resist being rubbed off by me.

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Thanks!..Rob

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How about this for marking. Buy a small bottle of indian ink and dip the tip of the sharpie into the ink, allow it to penetrate into the sharpie…Or, find out what kind of ink is used in a sharpie?

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Old fart here with a couple of tips…When ever I am going to saw pierce metal that is fresh from the mill and mirror polished I always cover the back with clear shipping tape to keep the metal from being scuffed up. I mark what I need on the top of the piece or glue on a transferred image. Then once dry, cover it with more clear shipping tape. Thus no scuffing or scratches. Also when I need to saw or shear a straight line, I cover the area with black sharpie and then use my sharpest dividers to score a bright line to make it easier to see. And again cover the metal with the clear tape. I also use sharpies to coast the inside of a crown so when I am cutting a seat I again use the scribe to mark where the seat should be and thus I can see much more easily where I need to cut.

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Something like this, perhaps? Not a marker, but a retractable pen scribe: Amazon.com

Sakura also makes a super fine point waterproof marker that is finer than the extra fine Sharpie.

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