Patina book recommendation

Ted,

What do I have to ask to get you to define its composition? Over
here in Europe, we always start when talking about metals and
alloys with a specification. 

Just do a search!!! With the ease of world wide search-ability,
I just don’t understand you continued “request” for posting the alloy
composition. So here is a URL Atlas Metal Sales

so you can see, and print if you like, the composition of Silicon
Bronze known as You are on the internet as you are posting here on
Orchid. The charts you referred to WERE given freely - in the past -
before the internet. Today, they are still available but not as
easily obtained.

john dach

What I was asking was, why did you American metal workers describe
the alloy as silica bronze? Now in your latest post your changimg
this to silicon bronze.

I know perfectly well what that group of alloys are made from, just
like you.

As this is an international forum not just focused o n the USA,
there are those of us who prefer a technical definition of an alloy
to start with.

If you check out my posts her in the past I always define an alloy,
I dont say brass, I say a 70/30 brass, nor say silver its 925/1000
silver. . Hope you follow.

Ted.

As an aside, I received the “Patina: 300+ Coloration Effects for Jewelers & Metalsmiths” book this afternoon, that was earlier
mentioned on this thread. So far it is a very interesting looking
book. Seems to cover a lot of info., has resource info. ad the metal
colorations look great. I will see what happens when I give some of
the examples a “test”. I have a feeling this will be a second
“anyone asking about patinas” will get this book as a reference.
“Thank you” very much for whomever gave this as a resource.

john dach

I follow you to a degree, but. THAT alloy of bronze is
"named/called/spelled" a number of different ways, but, I assume,
and maybe that is a “bad” thing to do, that anyone who sees
something referring to Everdur knows that the spelling for this
particular alloy, does differ with different people/locations/areas.
With this world getting smaller and smaller every day, we all need
to consider different folks are of different strokes, and not get
all hung up in a slight differing of, say, the spelling of an alloy
or metal or whatever. If there is a REAL need to be absolutely sure
about an alloy or some such, a simple, and today it is simple,
straight forward question as to alloy type is easy and quick with
the internet or a simple phone call. To get all worried or
frustrated on a list like this about the “exact” alloy, is, maybe,
unnecessarily time consuming. If a person makes reference to, say
Everdur in a post, and I want to make absolutely positively sure
that I know “exactly” what alloy they are talking about, a quick
note asking for clarification is all that it would take. I would
deal with this sort of “question” well, verses having someone saying
that I must “always” give alloy content to any reference to a
particular alloy.

I know this sounds a bit tough or something, but if I refer to
Everdur(e) in an e mail, I am NOT going to give the alloy
particulars, as even that can vary in minute quantities of alloying
content with differing manufactures. Just my opinion, , what ever
that is worth.

john dach

Aggie,

My machinist husbands idea of your apple green is that the chromium
from the stainless steel tongs coated the copper.

Stainless steel has both chromium and nickle in it, and his bet is
that the acid leached out one of those components, probably the
chromium ions.

I guess the process would be much like putting steel in the pickle
and plating everything with copper, this time you had copper and
plated it with chromium.

Now that’s one we have to try and repeat !

Patty
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