New to acetyline

But, I seem to recall that in another Myth Busters show they did
indeed make a tank take off like a rocket by breaking off the valve
stem. I think it was an oxygen tank.

That is why the oxygen tank should also be chained. Mine is lashed to
a couple of screw eyes driven into wall studs. That way there is no
chance of the thing getting knocked over with possible dangerous
results.

It is indeed true that these tanks are industrial items and cannot
be treated carelessly. I fully agree that if you aren’t willing to
follow the standard industrial gas safety precautions you would be
better off forgetting about them and sticking to a little butane
torch and silver solder.

John
Indiana

Securing the acetylene cylinder outside, but weather-protected, is a
good start. But it also needs to be out of public sight and unable to
be accessed by idiots/bastards/vandals.

Why would a passer-by fiddle with your acetylene valve? Because he
can. Why would he set a fire around your external tank? Because he
can. Why would he sabotage your flexible hose? Because he can.

As for installing your acetylene cylinder indoors, enjoy these
linked pics. Remote door unlocking of the van did the job.

Mark Bingham
Fourth Axis

Nice pics. Interestingly, the gas bottle seem to be in relatively
decent shape.

Mike DeBurgh, GJG

The show guys tried shooting propane tanks with various pistols and
rifles-- no luck. If I recall the details correctly, they even tried
hollow-point slugs, all kinds of things. The only way they finally
got the tanks to explode was by using an explosive bullet, in essence
a tiny bomb.

Most bullets are made of lead, or lead covered with copper. Both
metals are nonsparking, so it’s particularly hard to start any kind
of fire with them. You either need some other source of fire like the
"exploding" rounds or the bullet needs to get something it hits to
throw a spark, such as knocking one thing into another with enough
force to cause a spark.

Jason

Yeah Mike, When all the gas leaks outside the cylinder, all the fun
takes place outside the cylinder.

Mark B
Fourth Axis

Hi all,

I just wanted to add that safety is not something I blithely ignore
and I do not walk into my workroom to use equipment with mindless
operation procedures. At the same time it appeared to me that the
subject of safety is sometimes taken to the other extreme end of the
spectrum. Now I cannot resist adding that although a gas stove is not
an industrial calibre tool more insurance folks will tell you of the
woes that have come about from having such a device in the home. All
tools should be given a certain level of respect… it is the person
using them that is circumspect. I popped off earlier on this thread
with a bit of humor that has been since regretted.

sincerely,
Denise Jenkins

Yes, acetylene is slightly lighter than air. I stand corrected.
Thanks James.

While researching the specific gravity of acetylene I noticed that
gases that are in gasoline are particularly heavy. Now I know why
you can be walking through a low lying cloud of gasoline vapor and
never know it.

Mike DeBurgh, GJG
Alliance, OH

Noel, One of the primary reasons that the Mythbusters couldn’t get it
to explode is that small arm bullets are non-ferrous and therefore
non-sparking. The sparking effect you see in the movies and on tv
when bullets strike nearly any surface are pure theatrics. Lead,
copper, brass. all materials commonly used for bullets won’t produce
a spark in simple impact incident.

I distinctly remember this from a time when as a rash young teenager
I was talking to someone about stealing gasoline from the tank of a
car by piercing the tank. They advised me to use a brass punch
instead of a screwdriver so there wouldn’t be any sparks.

Mike DeBurgh, GJG
Alliance, OH

I just wanted to add that safety is not something I blithely
ignore and I do not walk into my workroom to use equipment with
mindless operation procedures. 

I might appear to blithely walk in, but all of the correct safety
stuff is buried deep in my brain. When needed I might push the rules
a bit but I know why and how its happening. A paper crib sheet (paper
is as flammable as hell) nor a blindly followed ‘routine’ is not the
way. Unless you really want first hand about a possible
afterlife.

Know and respect what you are dealing with. Real simple rules to
follow and ya might get old.

jeffD
Demand Designs
Analog/Digital Modelling & Goldsmithing
http://www.gmavt.net/~jdemand

As for installing your acetylene cylinder indoors, enjoy these
linked pics. Remote door unlocking of the van did the job. 

Ahh, acetylene, thou art a harsh mistress… Fortunately, however,
such accidents are very much the exception rather than the rule. The
proper methods for handling an acetylene tank have been very
thoroughly elaborated in this thread already. Further, an acetylene
leak isn’t exactly hard to detect. At it’s lower explosive limit,
the sharp, garlic odor would be very pronounced. This isn’t an
odourless gas here, it has a very distinctive smell. If your setup
is leaking, you will smell it. You just need the presence of mind to
perceive it.

My oxy-acetylene rig is kept indoors, and I have a much bigger
acetylene tank than most here. Mine is hooked up to a torch intended
for industrial use, not jewelry. The tank is chained in place in a
cart. I’ve seen shops with acetylene tanks that were almost bigger
than I am, and those tanks were kept inside.

I will relate one experience I had. I was attending training for
welding (earned my two-position plate and pressure pipe tickets) at
a welding school. For those not familiar with the setup of such a
place, there are ten or fifteen booths. Each booth has a welding
machine, a bench and a dark curtain to protect passersby from the
light. In the center area is a big bench, and various tools. Well,
this shop had two sets of oxy-acetylene torches. These were serious
business, too. You could cut through inch-thick steel plate with
these things. The acetylene tank was four feet tall, and almost three
feet in diameter. It was huge. Remember, this is a welding shop, so
there’s sparks flying everywhere. One day I was welding, and walked
back and forth past the torches to get something. Every time I walked
back, I noticed this smell… I couldn’t quite place it and was
trying to figure out what it was. I went back to the area where I
first detected the smell, and started looking around - then it hit
me! Garlic! The smell was garlic! I checked the torches, and one of
them hadn’t been properly shut off. The acetylene valve on the torch
had been left open and it was letting out acetylene into the air.

I experienced due alarm, of course. I shut off the torch properly,
and notified the instructor. He gave everyone a refresher on how to
shut down the torches.

Now, in safety near-misses like this, it’s helpful to review what
went wrong. So what did go wrong? The last person to use the torch
had turned off the oxygen first, forgot to turn the acetylene valve
on the torch itself off, and did not close the tank valves, back off
the regulators and drain pressure from the hoses like he should have.
This near-miss was directly the result of failure to follow proper
safety procedure. There’s a reason you follow this procedure.
Consider: What if the valve on the tank leaks? Well, the regulator
won’t let any gas through because it’s backed off. The torch won’t
let any gas out because it’s valve is closed. Torch valve leaks?
Regulator is backed off blocking gas flow, and tank valve is closed
also blocking gas flow.

Do you follow my meaning here? This method of shutting down the
torches requires failures in three valves, all at the same time, in
order for there to be a leak. If you keep your torches
well-maintained and in good order, have all three fail at once is
extremely unlikely. In conclusion, there isn’t a need to be fearful
of acetylene. Just respectful. Know how to safely handle it, know
the smell. Finally, don’t get slack! The proper way of shutting down
the torch has more steps than just shutting the torch valves and
leaving it. It’s easy to become lazy and forget, and it’s when do you
that that you start putting yourself at risk.

Paul Anderson

it is the person using them that is circumspect. I popped off
earlier on this thread with a bit of humor 

Denise, I thought your humor was appropriate in the face of the
uber-safety that is prevalent these days - Tea, anyone? ;