Out of 14 responses so far, 11 mention infringement, some using words like unethical, rip, stealing.
I didn’t mention it because a) I thought that was obvious, and b)
because I felt the whole scenario was hypothetical and not literal -
a way to get people thinking - an exchange of ideas.
Doesn't strike me as a very polite way to treat Mr. Klecka. I mean...who's next?
Isn’t it possible that Mr Klecka gave his permission to be talked
about?
Helen
UK
2 dimensional picture doesn't equal a 3 dimensional object.
It was a 3D scan that was under discussion, not a 2D scan. 3D
scanners have been around for quite a while now and using the 3D
scanned data to control a process called rapid prototyping, a 3D
model is “grown” or “printed”, in this case a 3D wax.
Sorry if you already know all that. I’ve only just learned about it
myself and find it fascinating.
Helen
UK
1) 2 dimensional picture doesn't equal a 3 dimensional object. 2) Unless he has the actual object, scanning the will pick up shadows too (maybe they could be erased?).
What Greg was referring to is a 3D scanner. There are a variety of
ways to do this ranging from touch probe types to lasers to CAT scan
type machines. All of them output a point cloud mesh that is a
digitization of the 3D object. This can with a lot of fiddling be
put into a modeling program to clean up the surfaces and then output
to a wax printer or mill.
James Binnion
James Binnion Metal Arts
But that's just me, always concerned about reputation. And professionalism. Which I find lacking in this thread. For what?
My sentiments exactly, I made a post of this nature but it did not
make the cut, I stated that planting this type of seed, rather true
or not, it not a good thing, it is perpetuating gossip.
Mr. Klecka is a well respected jeweler and to have his name just
thrown out there for a quiz is not appropriate. For a while I was
thinking everyone missed this. Dee
I need to clarify, as always get misconstrued Paul
Klecka and I are dear friends and we were having an exciting
conversation over the possibilities of CAD/CAM. It would never have
occurred to either of us to actually copyright infringe on Michael
Good’s work, (although that is the most obvious answer).
Paul and I were discussing this scenario as a hypothetical
possibility and trying to determine the technical difficulties and
drawbacks of CAD/CAM processes.
We were discussing the use of 3D scanners, capture patching
software, and a deposition modeler that prints in wax and support
material much like a ink jet printer. We did not discuss the use of a
CnC mill or powdered metal as those tools were ruled out as
unsuitable.
That a few of you have accused me in personal emails of trying to
besmirch the reputations of, or instigate a feud between, two such
well-known and respected jewelry professional as Paul Klecka and
Michael Good is sad and simply not true.
I used this conversation as a basis for this brain teaser because
Michael’s work is featured in the book Masters:Gold and because I
have
so much respect for both these Artisans.
Kudos to: Brian Meeks, Kim Lilot, Beth Wicker, Jeff Demand, Helen
Hill, Jay Whaley. R.E. Rourke, Peter Rowe, Donna Shimazu, and David
Agronick. Your names are in the hat.
By the way David, I laughed out loud at the line: "if a cat has
kittens in the oven, it doesn’t make them cookies!
Honorable mentions to all who cited the limitations of scanners (2D
and 3D) and the limitations of the casting process.
But, the true clincher to this brain teaser would be the differences
between milled, forged, and raised metal, especially anticlastically
raised metal, and it’s properties as apposed to the dead soft nature
and thickness of cast metal.
Nanz Aalund
Okay I wanted to echo the comments about copyright on the design but that seemed to obvious and instead will reflect on the cad cam process
While it’s amazing what shapes a cad cam system can reproduce… In
this case Michael Good’s creates his pieces by compressing and
stretching with the utilimate piece is relying on the surface design
before the forming.
So my issues in this care are:
Limitations on the cad cam process for accurately reproduce the
resulting surface design.
Limitations on the system in forming a piece that is stretched and
pulled and curved to it’s limit of the metal
However don’t do any of this type of work so just relying on my
research on the subject.
Just my 2 cents.
Joann
p.s. By the way… assuming the poster told Mr. Good about the
posting this is a great way to do some marketing for a artist.
Obviously I and probably others who weren’t already familiar with
this work did a Google search to find his web and see what amazing
things he is doing.
And the winner is: Donna Shimazu Donna, Please contact me off forum
to give me a land address so I can send you a copy of the book
Masters:Gold. It will arrive in early May.
Thank you to all who participated in the spirit of expanding our
collective knowledge of the jewelry and metals field.
Nanz Aalund