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#1

Hi all, Do any of you all have as much trouble with diamond
dealers as I do? Just today a dealer (nameless)came to the store
wishing to peddle his goods. I told him I didnt have a need for
anything today, but I would take a look and see what he had to
offer. Well, lo and behold he proceeds to clamp a 1ct. diamond in
a pair of Diamond Coated Tweezers and hands it to me to look
at!!! He says “its a very nice stone” I looked at the
tweezers and then I politely asked him to leave the store and
never return. I cant believe the type of people we have in the
diamond business. Last week I had a customer looking for a 2ct.
rbc SI-1 , F to G color diamond. I called in three different
stones (from three different dealers) on memo. The first one I
looked at was an SI-2 , J color. The second was an I-1, L color,
and the third one was a Clarity enhanced stone! I finally did
find what I was looking for. It was a cert stone and I paid a
premium for it , but at least I got the sale. I can almost
understand why alot of people dont trust jewelers anymore. If a
jeweler goes by what a dealer tells him, then he could be in
serious trouble. Thank God for G.I.A. My 2 cents.
Ken Sanders


#2

Ken, there are hundreds of dealers in the US. The more
knowledgable you are, the better chance of finiding what you
want. Any jeweler who leaves the grading up to the diamond dealer
should not be selling diamonds. Just my .02


#3

Well, lo and behold he proceeds to clamp a 1ct. diamond in
a pair of Diamond Coated Tweezers and hands it to me to look
at!!!

Excuse my ignorance, but what is so eggregious about this?

Wm
Luma Group, Inc. Tel: (212)391.3999
21 W 47th St 6/F Fax: (212)391.0090
New York, NY 10036 Email: @William_Hochstedler


#4

What is Diamond coated tweezers???

     LICCINI

Gemstone Rough Dealers since 1970 U.S.MAIL
E-Mail: @Mark_Liccini1 107 C.Columbus Dr.#1A
http://www.LICCINI.com Jersey City,N.J.07302
Voice Mail/Fax: 201-795-1115


#5

Well, lo and behold he proceeds to clamp a 1ct. diamond in
a pair of Diamond Coated Tweezers and hands it to me to look
at!!! He says “its a very nice stone” I looked at the
tweezers and then I politely asked him to leave the store and
never return.

“Diamond Coated Tweezers”?
What are those?
What’s the problem?

Bruce D. Holmgrain
e-mail: @Bruce_Holmgrain
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snail mail: pob 7972, McLean, VA 22106-7972
phone:: 703-593-4652


#6

… Thank God for G.I.A. My 2 cents.

  • Amen to that, Ken,

I have been dealing with Antwerp Diamond Distributors and have
(so far) found that they send me what I ask for, or if they have
a stone that’s slightly different, they will tell me and ask if I
want to see it. I did go to New York to meet with them when I
first starting doing business with them around Valentines Day and
after 2 1/2 hours of sorting through diamonds, they now have a
feel for what I like. I would recommend that you meet face to
face with any dealer you plan on doing business with, if at all
possible. It may save you alot of agrevation and possible lost
sales, in the long run.

Sharon Ziemek


#7

I just set a 1.19 carat trilliant G SI1 stone that I got from my
usual dealer who I have bought from for several years. Setting
went well, polishing, ultrasonic, steam, done! Well, except for
the cloud patch inside the stone that is now eye visible. Looks
like a 1.5mm patch of cotton. I called them and their first
reaction was a temperature sensitive inclusion must have
expanded.

The first conclusion of the eight dealers I spoke with today was
fracture filled. I am giving the stone back for them to look at
and I hope it was fracture filled so I can get a refund. On the
other hand I will be pissed that it was not disclosed.

I railed against this treatment two years ago on Polygon and
many spoke out against me that a person who is honest with a
legal product to sell should be allowed. The problem is the
dishonest people. For what purpose besides deceit are the
fracture fillers making their product without the detectable
flash effect?

Steve


#8
Well, lo and behold he proceeds to clamp a 1ct. diamond in

a pair of Diamond Coated Tweezers and hands it to me to look
at!!!

Excuse my ignorance, but what is so eggregious about this?

Diamond coated tweezers are tweezers that have very tiny diamond
particles embedded in them(similar to diamond coated burs) that
supposedly aid in the holding of a stone. The only problem is
that these type of tweezers tend to scratch the surface of any
stone(including diamonds) they come in contact with. No telling
how long this guy had been using them - and how many diamonds he
had already scratched. Ken


#9
Diamond coated tweezers are tweezers that have very tiny diamond
particles embedded in them(similar to diamond coated burs) that
supposedly aid in the holding of a stone. 

I’ve never heard of these. Who carries them?


#10
The first conclusion of the eight dealers I spoke with today was
fracture filled 

Did you see a color flash? We are also very concerned about
this. Customers don’t always disclose this when bringing in, even
if it was disclosed in the original sale . We have been able to
see a distinct color flash in a few, but wonder how many we miss.

Mark Parkinson


#11

Ken, there are hundreds of dealers in the US. The more
knowledgable you are, the better chance of finiding what you
want. Any jeweler who leaves the grading up to the diamond
dealer should not be selling diamonds. Just my .02

I agree. Thats why I studied so hard to get my GG. The dealers I
got the stones from were people I had done business with face to
face in the past. I assumed when I called them that I would
recieve what I had asked for.


#12
Did you see a color flash? We are also very concerned about
this. Customers don't always disclose this when bringing in, even

I did not see the flash. From what I have heard the makers are
eliminating the flash quite effectively. The dealer took back
the stone for a full refund but could not find the inclusion
which I could clearly see without magnification. They just did
not want to queer our business relationship. On and on it goes.
Why can we not legislate doping these stones for easy
professional identification?

Steve