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High Speed Hand Piece

hi, great thread, thank you!

julie

hi,
i spoke with grs regarding the 4:1 gear.

here are a few things i learned

it adds about an inch to the over length of the handpiece (he estimated approx 5.5-6” without, about 6.5-7” with)

it can be purchased and added by user later.

at it’s lowest rpms, it has more torque than a flexshaft, which needs to be at a mid/higher speed to build up torque (i hope i am saying that correctly…?)

julie

Hi Julie,
Thanks for sharing this info…however, I’m not sure that GRS gave you a complete picture. You note:

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at it’s lowest rpms, it has more torque than a flexshaft, which needs to be at a mid/higher speed to build up torque (i hope i am saying that correctly…?)

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I think that this is true for the simplest Foredom with a rheostat controller. As speed goes down, so does torque on those models. However, there are geared down models which have a higher torque at low speeds…the motor has a 3:1 or 4:1 (I forget which) physically geared down speed…the top speed is lower, but the torque is higher. I think these are older models which may have now been phased out. However, there are also models which have a special solid state controller which boosts torque at low speeds. I don’t know specifically whether the grs micromotor has a higher torque than all the Foredoms and other flexshaft motors, but I’m just saying that Foredom dealt with the problem of low torque years ago in more than one way. Also, the older flexshaft models had a 1/6 hp motor…some still do, but some of the Foredoms now have a 1/3hp motor, which would also increase torque.

Unless these manufacturers can actually quote ft-lbs or nt-mt of torque figures to compare, I guess we’ll have to ask folks who have used both which is more powerful.
-royjohn

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Hi royjohn,

Thank you for the feedback! I wish I understood all this mechanical stuff better.

for me, the main draw of the micromotor is that I really like the thinner more flexible cords, as opposed to the stiffer flexshaft…

but…I also want a slim, short handpiece…this is my dilemma…the NSK handpieces seem too thick and long to me… and, the 4:1 reduction attachment would add about an inch more…

the foredom micromotor handpieces seem to be a bit shorter (to me(?), but still seem a bit thick…

I will probably just eventually get a slim, short foredom H.20 handpiece for my flexshaft…

foredom still makes the lower speed/ higher torque motors…
TX (1/3hp, max 15,000rpm), LX 1/10hp, max 5,000 rps)

Julie

Hi Julie and all,
The 4:1 ratio just means they are using gears to slow the motor down to 1/4 the max speed and that gives 4X the torque that would be available at any chosen speed if it were used without the gearing, in direct drive. The foredom flexshafts have a solid state controller on their motors. Instead of decreasing the voltage on both the field coils and the armature, it allows decreasing the voltage on one while leaving the other constant. This means that the speed changes, decreasing as the voltage goes down, but the torque, or pulling power of the motor remains the same. So you can use very slow speeds and not bog down. I hope that helps.

Now I have a question. As a setter, using burs to make holes in which to place diamonds and using burs to notch prongs, etc., wouldn’t I want slower rather than faster speeds? Or does a setter want a really fast tool? I thought the former was better for control…-royjohn

As I am also a long-time Diamond Setter, I use a slow rotating bur. I need to be ultra-careful in the cutting of the bus.
If the bur is cutting too fast, I might have little or no control over the metal cutting. Plus the fast rotating bur just might slip and the teeth will leave deep indentations in the metal.

“Gerry, on my iPhone”

Thanks, Gerry, I thought so…I learned about the bur going round and round the prong, “decorating” it, at the Hard Knocks School of Jewelry Creation…LOL…-royjohn

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