Fake chains again

When people use the word "federal" or "legally required", in the
future, could we please try to refer which country we are in and
referring to? And if there are any grammar authoritarians out
there, I am aware that ends with a preposition. There are so many
countries represented on the list and it does help to know where
the info applies. There are legalities and then there are ethics.
Legalities we can help enforce and ethics we can try to influence. 

A full size? as in farm? tractor? or a little ride on garden type?
Grass? Ive just had my summer holiday!! and made some 300 small
bales of best organic hay. all sold off field.

Used a really nice John Deere baler behind my 1971 Zetor 3511. In
the process of restoration.

Been as hot as hell! 30 C for here in the UK. 2 weeks of wall to
wall sunshine.

Good job the beer is cold in the fridge.

Ted In Dorset UK.

Hi Elliot

Actually if you go to this link from the JVC it states it is quoting
federal law (US) and states you have to have a federally registered
trademark if you stamp your precious metals.

http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/ep80ev [PDF file page 4]

Sam

Not trying to be picky, but again another posting that discusses
regulations, legislation and uses the word National without referred
to which nation is being discussed. I have the same pickiness about
the National Hockey League. There are teams from two countries there.
And there are players from many countries there. Which nation are we
talking about? Barbara who is about to go outside again to influence
more grass

The National Stamping Act provides that any person, firm,
corporation, or association, being a manufacturer or dealer subject
to section 294 of the Act, who applies or causes to be applied a
quality mark, or imports any article bearing a quality mark "which
indicates or purports to indicate that such article is made in
whole or in part of gold or silver or of an alloy of either metal"
shall apply to the article the trademark or name of such person. 15
U. S. C. 297." 

Thanks for the reference. It seems strange that an importer must
apply his own identifier on goods. It strikes me as possibly
misleading.

Al Balmer

my suspicion is most of those chains are coming from China. probably
via Ebay. Check almost any bulk chain listing out of China on ebay
and look at the feedback reports. the negatives almost invariably say
“fake”, Plated copper or brass, not silver etc… yet they are all
shiny and bright and stamped 925 and sold to unsuspecting people
around the world, who then resell them, on good faith, that they are
sterling…and even if ebay does anything, they’ll just relist
under a new name. I think most professional jewelers would suspect
the prices they paid are too low for real silver, but a lot of
amateurs and people who scavenge thrift shops to resell, buy in
chains like these thinking they are just cheaper because they come
straight from the manufacturer etc. In many cases, the sellers in
those markets may be bigger victims than the customers, considering
they may have large inventories of these chains which are now
worthless crap when they thought they had sterling silver…and
could even face charges for low carat/quality precious metal items.

Jeanne
Jeannius.com

Actually if you go to this link from the JVC it states it is
quoting federal law (US) and states you have to have a federally
registered trademark if you stamp your precious metals.
http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/ep80ev [PDF file page 4] 

The JVC document you link to nowhere states that it is quoting
federal law. It is clear from reading the pertinent paragraphs on
that page that it is interpreting federal law. The sidebar on page 4
states, and here I quote, “the guidance contained in this publication
is based on jvc’s interpretation of three regulatory systems as they
act in combination:…”

However if you read the actual statute, available online at the
Government Printing Office’s website,

http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/ep80et

you will see clearly that a registered trademark is not necessary. A
mark indicating the name of the manufacturer or dealer who offers
the piece for sale will suffice. This is explicitly stated in section
297 subsection (b) clause (A). Note the final phrase of that clause,
“or the name of such person…” (Also note my quotation marks,
indicating that this is a direct quotation, not a paraphrase or
interpretation.)

Here is Section 297 subsection (b) in its entirety.

(b) Identifying trademark

Whenever any person, firm, corporation, or association, being a
manufacturer or dealer subject to section 294 of this title

(1) applies or causes to be applied to any article of merchandise
intended for sale or customarily sold as a complete product to
consumers in any State, by stamping, branding, engraving, or
otherwise, any quality mark or stamp indicating or purporting to
indicate that such article is made in whole or in part of gold or
silver or of an alloy of either such metal; or

(2) imports into any State any such article of merchandise bearing
any such quality mark or stamp which indicates or purports to
indicate that such article is made in whole or in part of gold or
silver or of an alloy of either such metal,

such person, firm, corporation, or association, before depositing
any such article manufactured or imported after six months after the
effective date of this Act in the United States mails, or causing
such article to be so deposited, for transmission thereby, or
delivering such article or causing such article to be delivered to
any common carrier for transportation from one State to any other
State, or transporting such article or causing such article to be
transported from one State to any other State, shall

(A) Apply or cause to be applied to that article a trademark of such
persons, which has been duly registered or applied for registration
under the laws of the United States within thirty days after an
article bearing the trademark is placed in commerce or imported into
the United States, or the name of such person; and

(B) if such article of merchandise is composed of two or more parts
which are complete in themselves but which are not identical in
quality, and any one of such parts bears such a quality mark or
stamp, apply or cause to be applied to each other part of that
article of merchandise a quality mark or stamp of like pattern and
size disclosing the quality of that other part.

Each identifying trademark or name applied to any article of
merchandise in compliance with clause (A) of this subsection shall be
applied to that article by the same means as that used in applying
the quality mark or stamp appearing thereon, in type or lettering at
least as large as that used in such quality mark or stamp, and in a
position as close as possible to that quality mark or stamp. For the
purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes the
Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American
Samoa, and the District of Columbia.

Elliot Nesterman

Thanks Jim

The JVC publication I went to didn’t have the “name” part mentioned.

Sorry, my bad
Sam

Actually if you go to this link from the JVC it states it is
quoting federal law (US) and states you have to have a federally
registered trademark if you stamp your precious metals. 
http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/ep80ev [PDF file page 4] 

The JVC is a lobbying organization with an agenda not an arm of the
US Government go directly to the Guides and read them as I quoted in
my previous post in section 23.9 Note 2 they clearly state that a
Name or Registered Trademark must be used.

http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/ep80f0

James Binnion
James Binnion Metal Arts

A medium size as in one to do the job of cutting about an acre and a
half of lawn (my husband is English and loves lawns) and big enough
for a snowblower in the winter. Several days of +40C on my back deck

  • tried to find the camera to take a picture of the thermometer and
    then remembered I had left it with my husband to take pictures of the
    nurses. Cooler now and am hugely excited about putting together the
    new workbench when it arrives. Some people get excited about
    diamonds, dinners and grandchildren - today I am excited about a
    workbench. Everyone is unique.

Blessings on all the unique people on this list – I am learning so
much! Barbara on Prince Edward Island (maybe the baby will be named
Edward?)

I think having a chat with your local Federal Trade Commission or
Assay Office is the answer. they will not only have the guy cease
selling the material (they may confiscate it too) but they will go
after the source.

the article attached to this URl is about consumer protection
agreements signed recently between the US and Australia- it may give
you some starting point or phone numbers, if not a specific contact.
Hope this helps…rer http://www.ganoksin.com/gnkurl/ep80f1