2 Hours Casting

Dear Ron,

Don't you think it is about time that we produced a casting unit
of this type? Dental labs have been using this technology for a
hundred years even though they are now using equipment that is
aimed more at high temperature, high production applications. If I
were burgled of my equipment, the first thing I would mourn would
be the loss of my ancient dental casting machine.

Thanks for the nice comments about my last post; I am usually
accused of being too tedious and esoteric but I keep on thinking
that people really do want to know how to control the casting
process, even if they haven’t realized it yet. J Since you ask, I
will give you my opinion (only worth what you are going to pay for
it) about centrifugal casting. First, I am not intending to convert
you or anyone else who has mastered the art of casting from the
machinery you use and like to something else. To answer your
question directly, I don’t expect that we will see much development
in centrifugal casting in the future except for platinum. Like you
and many others, I started with a spring driven casting machine that
I bought used from a retired dentist in the winter of 1960-61.
Gradually as I learned more about the process I became convinced
that centrifugal casting had some shortcomings. For one thing
centrifugally cast metal is always turbulent and requires the metal
to start at a higher temperature because a turbulent liquid loses
heat faster than a non turbulent liquid. It can also entrain gas
(another form of gas porosity not related to reaction gas).
Centrifugal force can segregate gold from alloy to make the casting
gold rich at the top and alloy rich at the other end and the high
velocity erodes investment causing inclusions (usually mistaken for
porosity). And if you get too much flux in the crucible you get flux
inclusions. And anything floating on the surface of the melt can
wind up in the casting. And if you cast more metal than the flask
can holdwell you know what happens.

And now before I get a flood of posts I will say that in spite of
all that you have made money with your centrifugal casting machine
and I am happy for you. Out here in the west we say “if it is not
broken don’t fix it”. But that was not my experience. Sure I made a
lot of good castings but I also made a lot I had to fix or recast
too. In short I was not satisfied with the consistency or the
quality, I still am not but my standards are much higher today.

What we have learned so far is that we should be melting in a
graphite crucible so copper oxide is reduced to pure copper and no
flux is used. The metal is melted in a closed chamber filled with
inert or neutral gas so no oxygen comes in contact with the metal
when it is liquid. The crucible is bottom pour so the cleanest metal
goes out first and any floating debris never leaves the crucible or
is in the sprue button. The pour is less turbulent because only
gravity is moving it and metal temperature is controlled with a
thermocouple immersed in the melt. Pressure differential is achieved
by vacuum assist and /or over pressure. The flask is enclosed under
the crucible and purged of air and backfilled with nitrogen gas
before the metal is cast. This includes the space between the bottom
of the crucible and the top of the flask. Then the flask is held in
the protective system until the metal has solidified.

There is more I could talk about but I don’t want to sound like an
advertisement, the point is that science and engineering has been
applied to the casting process and this kind of equipment has been
around long enough that it is proven to be worth the investment.
There might be someone out in Orchid land who has made the investment
to go from centrifugal casting to a closed bottom pour system who
could tell us what their experience is. I would expect them to say
that they have better castings that take less time to finish than
they had when they cast with their centrifugal machine. I know that
has been my experience.

Hi Eddie;

Thanks for the nice comments about my last post; I am usually
accused of being too tedious and esoteric but I keep on thinking
that people really do want to know how to control the casting
process, even if they haven't realized it yet. 

Rest assured, some of us are very interested in this. Thank you for
such enlightening By the way, what kind of costs would
one be looking at for a machine as you describe that has those
functions, graphite crucible, bottom vacume/top pressure, neutral gas
chamber, controlled melt temperatures, etc., for entry level or small
scale production?

David L. Huffman

Hello David,

Rest assured, some of us are very interested in this. Thank you
for such enlightening By the way, what kind of costs
would one be looking at for a machine as you describe that has
those functions, graphite crucible, bottom vacume/top pressure,
neutral gas chamber, controlled melt temperatures, etc., for entry
level or small scale production? 

a few days ago I stumbled across the machines he is talking about.
They are used for casting artificial denture (hope I got the right
terms, I come from Germany). These machines are around 10000 Euro or
higher but they seem to give excellent control over the casting.

Matthias
Berlin/Germany

Hallo Matthias,

a few days ago I stumbled across the machines he is talking about.
They are used for casting artificial denture (hope I got the right
terms, I come from Germany). These machines are around 10000 Euro
or higher but they seem to give excellent control over the casting. 

Are you thinking of Heraueus CLG line and similar? I suppose your
price indication is for new equipment. Do you have any manufacturer
to look at?

MfG/regards
michaela

Hello Michaela,

I found the link back after searching the web two hours (originally,
I deleted the link because of the high prices for the machines). Look
here:

Stock Investing & Stock Market Research | The Motley Fool [German Language Only}

If the link does not work for you, please send your email adress. I
could send the pdf via email to you. In this journal there is a
comparison between 12 vacuum/pressure casting machines.

Hmmm… MfG means you come from Germany, too? Schn zu wissen, da auch
deutsch-sprachige Leute Ganoksin nutzen!

regards
Matthias